This is Crap

Damocles said:
No, you gave me a limited amount of data that was cherry-picked to your purpose.

The reality is, I gave you reasons I believe what I do, which you promptly argued with links from Media Matters (the links are there, they don't link to Media Matters themselves) that were specifically picked by Media Matters in their dates to skew the data.

The court has been around far longer than since 2004. It takes guts to point out talking points on this site and pretend that nobody can discover where they come from, it's worse when you promote them as the epitome of truth when they have clearly limited their data so that they could suggest something to the limited of mind.
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I gave you the data that is available online. SCOTUSblotg runs SCOTUSwiki and is the one source I know of online that has this type of information. They only have the Circuit Scorecards for the years I posted. If they had more I'd give them to you. Maybe you should email the folks at SCOTUSwiki and ask them why they are limiting the data they provide just for my personal benefit in this argument with you. Based on the information available your claim that the 9th Circuit is the most overturned is not credible.

Perhaps you have the data to back up your claim but I doubt it.

And I'm sure that Media Matter linked to SCOUTSwiki as well. It all part of a grand conspiracy. Truly. Or maybe, just maybe, it's because SCOTUSwiki is the only source of this information available on the web and is a well regarded source. Just a hunch.

Then again worldiq.com, a goddamned online encyclopedia (and a god awful one at that) made some offhand remark about how the 9th Circuit is "not overturned much more than any other" without any sourcing or data to back it up and you treat it as gospel.

I'm beginning to think that, notwithstanding your running this website, you don't really have much online IQ. At all.
 
Damocles said:
No, you gave me a limited amount of data that was cherry-picked to your purpose.

The reality is, I gave you reasons I believe what I do, which you promptly argued with links from Media Matters (the links are there, they don't link to Media Matters themselves) that were specifically picked by Media Matters in their dates to skew the data.

The court has been around far longer than since 2004. It takes guts to point out talking points on this site and pretend that nobody can discover where they come from, it's worse when you promote them as the epitome of truth when they have clearly limited their data so that they could suggest something to the limited of mind.

Anyway, as I said before I think they get this reputation because of the times like were outlined in this article. In one session 19 out of 21 of their decisions were overturned, 90% http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1185268000242 (BTW - You'll have to actually read the article to find what I am talking about, because the article isn't about it, it just mentions it.

With that, when I averaged the results of 2 decades by percentages I found that they had a slightly higher rate than any of the other courts. I posted a site that said that same thing which hadn't done the math, but it doesn't mean I can't do math myself.

Your argument was that I had nothing on which to base that opinion. I have provided you information on how I came up with the opinion. Thanks for playing... Hack.
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Actually, during the 2006 term the court had a 85.7% reversal rate as one of their opinions was affirmed in part and reversed in part. But guess what, the 3rd Circuit had a 100% reversal rate. The 5th Circuit had a 100% reversal rate.

While it sounds like a high reversal rate that supports your view, during the 2006 term it was by no means the highest.

http://www.scotusblog.com/movabletype/archives/ScorecardOT06.pdf


Edit: You said that you did the average for two decades. Where did you get your data for those 2 decades? I haven't seen it.
 
dungheap,

theres a few reasons why the 9th Circuit is labeled as the most overturned court. For one they are, they are the largest of the court districts in the US. So if 22 cases go to the Supreme Court, 19 of them will be reversed, whereas in comparison the 5th circuit may only have 4 and 2 or 3 are reversed.

They have stayed within the national average for the past 2 years, but past that they are above the national average, in 1996-1997 95% were overturned.

They have the most overturned Judges in the history of the judiciary, like Judge Stephen Reinhardt.

So when someone says they are the most overturned court it is not just an opinion, it is a fact.

SR
 
Dungheap said:
Actually, during the 2006 term the court had a 85.7% reversal rate as one of their opinions was affirmed in part and reversed in part. But guess what, the 3rd Circuit had a 100% reversal rate. The 5th Circuit had a 100% reversal rate.

While it sounds like a high reversal rate that supports your view, during the 2006 term it was by no means the highest.

http://www.scotusblog.com/movabletype/archives/ScorecardOT06.pdf


Edit: You said that you did the average for two decades. Where did you get your data for those 2 decades? I haven't seen it.
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It was done in a world long ago and far away. Hence my assertion that it is an opinion, but it is one based on something I did.

I took data from an article comparing the rates, I then simply worked an average for each and found that what I "felt" was reality, just not as much as I thought it would be.

And yes, in that session they (the 5th) were overturned at a record rate, but it was only one session.

The reality is, I have based my opinion on something that is, to me, more tangible than links provided in talking points on Media Matters for use in such arguments with cherry picked data.
 
SR_ said:
dungheap,

theres a few reasons why the 9th Circuit is labeled as the most overturned court. For one they are, they are the largest of the court districts in the US. So if 22 cases go to the Supreme Court, 19 of them will be reversed, whereas in comparison the 5th circuit may only have 4 and 2 or 3 are reversed.

They have stayed within the national average for the past 2 years, but past that they are above the national average, in 1996-1997 95% were overturned.

They have the most overturned Judges in the history of the judiciary, like Judge Stephen Reinhardt.

So when someone says they are the most overturned court it is not just an opinion, it is a fact.

SR
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There was a reason his cherry-picked data only included information back to 2004, and he pretends that there could not possibly be....

*sigh*
 
Damocles said:
It was done in a world long ago and far away. Hence my assertion that it is an opinion, but it is one based on something I did.

I took data from an article comparing the rates, I then simply worked an average for each and found that what I "felt" was reality, just not as much as I thought it would be.

And yes, in that session they (the 5th) were overturned at a record rate, but it was only one session.

The reality is, I have based my opinion on something that is, to me, more tangible than links provided in talking points on Media Matters for use in such arguments with cherry picked data.
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Oh, right. The dog ate your homework.

Can you point me to a single session wherein the 9th Circuit stood alone as the court with the highest reversal rate?
 
SR_ said:
dungheap,

theres a few reasons why the 9th Circuit is labeled as the most overturned court. For one they are, they are the largest of the court districts in the US. So if 22 cases go to the Supreme Court, 19 of them will be reversed, whereas in comparison the 5th circuit may only have 4 and 2 or 3 are reversed.

They have stayed within the national average for the past 2 years, but past that they are above the national average, in 1996-1997 95% were overturned.

They have the most overturned Judges in the history of the judiciary, like Judge Stephen Reinhardt.

So when someone says they are the most overturned court it is not just an opinion, it is a fact.

SR
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I understand the popular mythology. I just want some actual evidence to back it up.
 
Dungheap said:
Oh, right. The dog ate your homework.

Can you point me to a single session wherein the 9th Circuit stood alone as the court with the highest reversal rate?
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They don't have to, idiot, to average higher than the rest. This is like Dixie arguing that 1/3 doesn't exist (Yeah, I know you didn't argue that Dix, but it's fun to say regardless).
 
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