Offering Water to Voters now a Crime in Georgia

[Grokmaster]

The repubs call it winning. Stop as much voting in likely Dem districts and you can win. Fuck democracy.

YEAH. STOPPING VOTE BUYING , FRAUD AND MAKING SURE VOTERS ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE.


ONLY CRIMINAL FRAUD-O-CRATS OPPOSE SUCH THINGS....

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Yea, sure. Like Atheists have the upper hand in discussions on God...

Why wouldn't they? The vast majority of American atheists grew up in households where the parents at least professed to be Xtian.

 

[PoliTalker]

Need a federal law requiring States to provide enough voting resources to keep voting lines under an hour. If they can't do it then the feds step in and take over elections in that state.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Why wouldn't they? The vast majority of American atheists grew up in households where the parents at least professed to be Xtian.

Where did that "fact" come from? I had to look up the pejorative "xtian." It turns out to be a Progressive Leftist term for fundamentalist Christians who make up about a quarter of Americans. But there's no indication that atheists or Atheists are made up in majority from such families.

https://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/chapter-1-the-changing-religious-composition-of-the-u-s/

Of course, being Buddhist myself, I am in a tiny minority when it comes to religion in the US.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Need a federal law requiring States to provide enough voting resources to keep voting lines under an hour. If they can't do it then the feds step in and take over elections in that state.

If voting is absolutely so important, wouldn't waiting in line for say as long as you might to attend a major concert or the Super Bowl be reasonable?

 

[Nordberg]

YEAH. STOPPING VOTE BUYING , FRAUD AND MAKING SURE VOTERS ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE.


ONLY CRIMINAL FRAUD-O-CRATS OPPOSE SUCH THINGS....

The problem in these discussions is people like you believe in conspiracies, no matter how clearly they have been refuted. Again, Trump is not a problem, if people are able to understand what a nut and danger he is. You cannot. Angry and wrong is way to go through life.

 

[evince]

Yea, sure. Like Atheists have the upper hand in discussions on God...

Only here those claiming it could lead to fraud can point to:

Multiple cases of voter fraud that were caught
Proposed methodologies that would allow for fraud in the proposed system
Actual cases where those methods, or ones very similar were used by fraudsters and detected.

All-in-all those saying that what the Democrats want in HR 1 could lead to massive voter fraud have the upper hand entirely over those dismissing voter fraud as a fakery or something that can't happen.

What upper hand nut sack gargler



The court told you to fuck off because your “evidence” was non exsistant


Who you got on your side fucking idiot?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I don't have to prove fraud. I can demonstrate easily, as anyone can, how with mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting it would be possible to commit mass fraud and never get caught.

Voter rolls are generally accessible to the public, and certainly accessible to political parties.
With that list of names I can, variously, go door-to-door, request mail-in ballots for voters who rarely or never vote, or go to places where many ballots would be delivered at one time such as nursing homes.
I either collect said ballots unmarked, or collect them after the person votes.
Given I have weeks to review them, I do so. Sealed ones are easily steamed open

That took all of what, a minute...

Since signatures are reviewed by scanner and an exact match is unnecessary, I can use any of several signature programs to put one on each ballot. Doesn't matter if some are rejected, most won't be.

https://go.docusign.com/trial/us-ms...c_US&msclkid=35e86529aee814458b520577a6ee780f

https://www.capterra.com/sem-compare/digital-signature-software?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc

Once I've destroyed any ballots that are filled out contrary to my position(s) I simply mail in the rest.

I suggest you try this. I see several things that will get you easily caught and charged with multiple felonies that will put you in jail for 5-20 years. First of all is the time frame you think you have to do this. Most states now have ways for voters to track their ballot to see if it was received. If you hang on to ballots for many weeks some of the voters you collected ballots from will be complaining about why their ballot isn't yet in the system. The second thing is your suggestion that you can simply destroy ballots contrary to your position. Once again if you do this you will be found out when voters start questioning why their ballot never made it in.

You don't seem to even understand how mail in ballots work. There are 2 envelopes. You would have to open both envelopes without destroying them or making it obvious that you tampered with them. You are using a technique that was used in the 50's to try to open envelopes glued with glue from this century. Modern glues may not be as susceptible to heat as the old glues. Then there may be security features built into the envelope that you are unaware of.

You might think you can simply replace the ballots with another ballot. The problem there is you don't know what security features are on each printed ballot. You could scan the ballots and print them out yourself which will get you caught very easily since every printer prints a readable code on every page printed by that printer. You would need the same kind of paper as the ballot since it is often easy to tell differences between paper weights and brightness.

Congratulations on not proving that someone could easily tamper with mail in ballots. Instead you proved that someone attempting to do so would spend a lengthy time in jail by making multiple mistakes that would easily get them caught.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

What upper hand nut sack gargler



The court told you to fuck off because your “evidence” was non exsistant


Who you got on your side fucking idiot?

Thank you for injecting that completely gratuitous and juvenile insult into the conversation. Now, the adults are talking. Go away.

 

[evince]

Thank you for injecting that completely gratuitous and juvenile insult into the conversation. Now, the adults are talking. Go away.

Eat shit fascist

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

If voting is absolutely so important, wouldn't waiting in line for say as long as you might to attend a major concert or the Super Bowl be reasonable?

Voting is more important than entertainment. It should be easy to vote. We want more people voting. The more the better. Republican efforts to suppress voting are a disgrace. It is a glaring sign that Republicans have lost the confidence of the people that they have sunk this low to even be arguing this.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Poor Richard Saunders,

I suggest you try this. I see several things that will get you easily caught and charged with multiple felonies that will put you in jail for 5-20 years. First of all is the time frame you think you have to do this. Most states now have ways for voters to track their ballot to see if it was received. If you hang on to ballots for many weeks some of the voters you collected ballots from will be complaining about why their ballot isn't yet in the system. The second thing is your suggestion that you can simply destroy ballots contrary to your position. Once again if you do this you will be found out when voters start questioning why their ballot never made it in.

You don't seem to even understand how mail in ballots work. There are 2 envelopes. You would have to open both envelopes without destroying them or making it obvious that you tampered with them. You are using a technique that was used in the 50's to try to open envelopes glued with glue from this century. Modern glues may not be as susceptible to heat as the old glues. Then there may be security features built into the envelope that you are unaware of.

You might think you can simply replace the ballots with another ballot. The problem there is you don't know what security features are on each printed ballot. You could scan the ballots and print them out yourself which will get you caught very easily since every printer prints a readable code on every page printed by that printer. You would need the same kind of paper as the ballot since it is often easy to tell differences between paper weights and brightness.

Congratulations on not proving that someone could easily tamper with mail in ballots. Instead you proved that someone attempting to do so would spend a lengthy time in jail by making multiple mistakes that would easily get them caught.

And hence why such crimes on any substantial scale have never been found. Republican voter suppression efforts are a shameful sad last gasp of a dying party.

If Republicans presented worthy ideas they wouldn't have to try to rig elections.

It is laughable that Republicans are the ones who think elections are rigged as they attempt to do exactly that.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Thank you for injecting that completely gratuitous and juvenile insult into the conversation. Now, the adults are talking. Go away.

Dude, it's just locker room talk. Why get one's panties in a bunch over locker room talk?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I suggest you try this. I see several things that will get you easily caught and charged with multiple felonies that will put you in jail for 5-20 years. First of all is the time frame you think you have to do this. Most states now have ways for voters to track their ballot to see if it was received. If you hang on to ballots for many weeks some of the voters you collected ballots from will be complaining about why their ballot isn't yet in the system. The second thing is your suggestion that you can simply destroy ballots contrary to your position. Once again if you do this you will be found out when voters start questioning why their ballot never made it in.

How many people actually bother to track their ballot? If that were true for most people, then waiting in line, voting in person, wouldn't be considered a burden either. Regardless, the problem becomes one of the voting system can't track your ballot while in the postal system for the most part, if at all. So, the delay could be there in any case. If you request a second ballot and the first shows up, one or both might be made invalid.
This also doesn't cover allowed by HR 1 ballot harvesting where the harvester might hold onto ballots for days before turning them in in mass.

You don't seem to even understand how mail in ballots work. There are 2 envelopes. You would have to open both envelopes without destroying them or making it obvious that you tampered with them. You are using a technique that was used in the 50's to try to open envelopes glued with glue from this century. Modern glues may not be as susceptible to heat as the old glues. Then there may be security features built into the envelope that you are unaware of.

You only have to deal with the single return envelope. Well, let's find out

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[martin]

Yea, sure. Like Atheists have the upper hand in discussions on God...



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Blind faith is a perfect observation, thank you.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

If voting is absolutely so important, wouldn't waiting in line for say as long as you might to attend a major concert or the Super Bowl be reasonable?

Is there some reason why it's okay for a certain segment of our population to wait in line for hours, but not the more privileged -- because you all know that mail-in voting increases voting overall and *that* doesn't always favor the QOP candidates?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

How many people actually bother to track their ballot?

We did, and that was after dropping it off in the township's lockbox. PRS is correct -- you would have to be quite a mastermind to duplicate ballots and signatures well enough to pull it off. If someone is going to go to all the trouble (and expense) to duplicate the printed ballot including matching the typeface and paper weight, wouldn't it make more sense to just counterfeit money instead? Less chance of getting caught, for sure.

Politalker is also right. The (R)s know that the only way they can win any more is to make voting as onerous and difficult as possible. This will end up biting them in the ass.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Where did that "fact" come from? I had to look up the pejorative "xtian." It turns out to be a Progressive Leftist term for fundamentalist Christians who make up about a quarter of Americans. But there's no indication that atheists or Atheists are made up in majority from such families.

https://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/chapter-1-the-changing-religious-composition-of-the-u-s/

Of course, being Buddhist myself, I am in a tiny minority when it comes to religion in the US.

No doubt you feel yourself quite superior. lol

"Xtian" is merely shorthand for Christian, and is not meant as a pejorative, nor does it label any particular flavor of that religion. You are free to pretend otherwise, of course. As for your assertion regarding fundies, your article states: "Evangelicals now make up a clear majority (55%) of all U.S. Protestants. In 2007, 51% of U.S. Protestants identified with evangelical churches." It also states that "In the past seven years, the percentage of adults who describe themselves as Christians has dropped from 78.4% to 70.6%." 50% of 70% is 35%.

Nothing in your article refutes what I said, which was most atheists were raised in an Xtian (or other religion) household. For whatever reason, they heard the word and chose to disregard it. That doesn't mean that they aren't capable of intelligently discussing religion in general, or particular aspects of Christianity itself.

 

[BartenderElite]

If voting is absolutely so important, wouldn't waiting in line for say as long as you might to attend a major concert or the Super Bowl be reasonable?

I don't post here much anymore. There isn't a lot of good discussion to be had on this board.

Happened by today for the 1st time in awhile and saw this comment. It's absolutely staggering. A total head-shaker.

Not much to add. Just had to say something.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I don't post here much anymore. There isn't a lot of good discussion to be had on this board.

Happened by today for the 1st time in awhile and saw this comment. It's absolutely staggering. A total head-shaker.

Not much to add. Just had to say something.

It was never a good idea to come here for "discussion."
I come here to vent; it's cathartic.