Former CDC director says he believes COVID-19 'escaped' from a Wuhan lab

martin said:
That's a different issue, and not the OP's argument. If the virus was manufactured with government permission then the government of course bears responsibility.
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If it escaped from a lab then the CCP virus wouldn’t exist apart from human agency. And then we’re looking at the worst global F* up in the history of the world. Not hyperbole.

And that, is if it was an accident. Idk, maybe we should look into it to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
why isn't how it originated an issue.......particularly if this is the second time it happened.....
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I agree it's an issue, but that doesn't mean the government is necessarily to blame. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but the simple of assumption of blame isn't uncalled for.
 
martin said:
So what if it did? Is the government and nation of China responsible for a lab accident? The only criticism fairly directed at China is the delay in spreading news of the contagion, and that criticism applies regardless of the virus's origin.
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Its likely a enhanced virus. It is probably a product of gain of function experiments done under the auspices of the CCP. One created to be more infectious to see if it could potentially be used for a bioweapon. It most likely accidentally got out of the Wuhan lab. There is no way China will cooperate in discovering its true origin.
 
martin said:
When a licensed motorist kills someone by reckless driving do we hold the state responsible for having issued him a license? On your second point, even with good security accidents happen.
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Well we can't sue the state but if the DME was issuing licenses to legally blind people wouldn't they be responsible for the accidents they cause.
 
Primavera said:
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He's not the only one, Richard Dearlove, ex-head of MI6, has said much the same. The Chinese have only fuelled suspicion by refusing inspection of the lab for over a year.

• Robert Redfield, the former CDC director, says he believes COVID-19 'escaped' from a lab in Wuhan, China

• He said the virus may have been circling since September 2019

• Redfield made the comments in a CNN interview on Friday but stressed it was his 'opinion'

• It is the first time Redfield, who was appointed CDC director by President Trump, has stated publicly that he believes COVID-19 originated in a lab

• The debate about the origins have COVID-19 has been ongoing for the past year and has resulted in rising tensions between the US and China

US investigators have been blocked from going to China in a bid to investigate the virus and its origins

• Trump first started speculating that China may have released the virus in lab 'mistake' early last year

• Dr Anthony Fauci told a White House COVID briefing on Friday that Redfield's comments about the Wuhan lab were just an opinion

• The former director of the CDC, Robert Redfield, says he believes COVID-19 'escaped' from Wuhan lab in China and may have been circling as early as September 2019.
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"[Redfield] offered no explanation for this idea other than to say as a virologist, he does not believe the virus could have been so contagious when it jumped directly from an animal to a person. Instead, he contends it was manipulated in a Wuhan research laboratory to become more contagious and then accidently released by a worker in September or October 2019, a few months before coming to public attention.

Several scientists said Redfield's theory did not pass the scientific smell test.

"There's a fundamental difference between having a theory and testing a theory and showing evidence that your theory is a fact," said Paul Duprex, a virologist and director of the center for vaccine research at the University of Pittsburgh.

Duprex, who runs a biosafety level three lab, which handles dangerous pathogens, said he would never rule out the possibility of human error.

"No open-minded scientist will ever say to you, or should say to you, 'this is impossible," he said. "What a good scientist will say is, 'Where is the evidence?'"

Duprex said he has seen no evidence to suggest the virus first emerged from a lab.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/f...b-in-china-scientists-are-dubious/ar-BB1f0EWi
 
christiefan915 said:
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Believe all women. :D

 
Redfield says he believes it but has absolutely no evidence. That means nothing. Lots of others disagree with him. This is an interesting story, but just that. You have to wait until it is determined by evidence.
 
ExpressLane said:
Well we can't sue the state but if the DME was issuing licenses to legally blind people wouldn't they be responsible for the accidents they cause.
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The DMV is not the entire government, number one, and number two, there has been no claim I know of that the operation of the lab in China was fundamentally incompetent, only that the virus somehow escaped. So not a worthy analogy.
 
christiefan915 said:
"[Redfield] offered no explanation for this idea other than to say as a virologist, he does not believe the virus could have been so contagious when it jumped directly from an animal to a person. Instead, he contends it was manipulated in a Wuhan research laboratory to become more contagious and then accidently released by a worker in September or October 2019, a few months before coming to public attention.

Several scientists said Redfield's theory did not pass the scientific smell test.

"There's a fundamental difference between having a theory and testing a theory and showing evidence that your theory is a fact," said Paul Duprex, a virologist and director of the center for vaccine research at the University of Pittsburgh.

Duprex, who runs a biosafety level three lab, which handles dangerous pathogens, said he would never rule out the possibility of human error.

"No open-minded scientist will ever say to you, or should say to you, 'this is impossible," he said. "What a good scientist will say is, 'Where is the evidence?'"

Duprex said he has seen no evidence to suggest the virus first emerged from a lab.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/f...b-in-china-scientists-are-dubious/ar-BB1f0EWi
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Richard Dearlove, ex-head of MI6 said the same. The Chinese waited over a year before allowing WHO to inspect the site maybe you should ask why? There are also several women scientists who suffered greatly from telling their side of the story, how can you dismiss them so readily?
 
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christiefan915 said:
"[Redfield] offered no explanation for this idea other than to say as a virologist, he does not believe the virus could have been so contagious when it jumped directly from an animal to a person. Instead, he contends it was manipulated in a Wuhan research laboratory to become more contagious and then accidently released by a worker in September or October 2019, a few months before coming to public attention.

Several scientists said Redfield's theory did not pass the scientific smell test.

"There's a fundamental difference between having a theory and testing a theory and showing evidence that your theory is a fact," said Paul Duprex, a virologist and director of the center for vaccine research at the University of Pittsburgh.

Duprex, who runs a biosafety level three lab, which handles dangerous pathogens, said he would never rule out the possibility of human error.

"No open-minded scientist will ever say to you, or should say to you, 'this is impossible," he said. "What a good scientist will say is, 'Where is the evidence?'"

Duprex said he has seen no evidence to suggest the virus first emerged from a lab.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/f...b-in-china-scientists-are-dubious/ar-BB1f0EWi
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Several scientists said, yes well, several other scientists said otherwise.
 
Primavera said:
Richard Dearlove, ex-head of MI6 said the same. The Chinese waited over a year before allowing WHO to inspect the site maybe you should ask why? There are also several women scientists who suffered greatly from telling their side of the story, how can you dismiss them so readily?
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What happened to the seafood market theory? How about the theory of natural origin and genome sequencing?

The novel SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus that emerged in the city of Wuhan, China, last year and has since caused a large scale COVID-19 epidemic and spread to more than 70 other countries is the product of natural evolution, according to findings published today in the journal Nature Medicine. The analysis of public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 and related viruses found no evidence that the virus was made in a laboratory or otherwise engineered.

"By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes," said Kristian Andersen, PhD, an associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research and corresponding author on the paper."

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-03/sri-tcc031720.php
 
Primavera said:
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He's not the only one, Richard Dearlove, ex-head of MI6, has said much the same. The Chinese have only fuelled suspicion by refusing inspection of the lab for over a year.

• Robert Redfield, the former CDC director, says he believes COVID-19 'escaped' from a lab in Wuhan, China

• He said the virus may have been circling since September 2019

• Redfield made the comments in a CNN interview on Friday but stressed it was his 'opinion'

• It is the first time Redfield, who was appointed CDC director by President Trump, has stated publicly that he believes COVID-19 originated in a lab

• The debate about the origins have COVID-19 has been ongoing for the past year and has resulted in rising tensions between the US and China

US investigators have been blocked from going to China in a bid to investigate the virus and its origins

• Trump first started speculating that China may have released the virus in lab 'mistake' early last year

• Dr Anthony Fauci told a White House COVID briefing on Friday that Redfield's comments about the Wuhan lab were just an opinion

• The former director of the CDC, Robert Redfield, says he believes COVID-19 'escaped' from Wuhan lab in China and may have been circling as early as September 2019.
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AND WAS UNLEASHED UPON US BY THE CHINESE, WITH LOTS OF HELP FROM THE CORON-A-CRATS....
 
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