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What is currently going on in Afghanistan?

Is the Army really promoting a Crusade?

Are they passing out those ridiculous cartoon pamphlets and Bibles while in full uniform and on tanks?

Did the Secretary of the Army really make a speech at West Point in which he stated we are at battle with Islam?

What is going on in Pentagon where they are trying to make soldiers for Jesus?

We know that they were trying to use the Air Force Academy to create military missionaries?

A speech given by Army Lieutenant Colonel Greg Metzgar before the Officers Christian Fellowship – a group with 15,000 active members at 80 percent of military bases – in which he stressed: “Christian soldiers must always consider themselves behind enemy lines, even within the ranks, because every unsaved member of the military is a potential agent of ‘spiritual terrorism.’”

http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/harpers_newsstand.html

I plan to go and buy the Harper's magazine, this sounds like a very good article.

Bill Mahr also had a very good program this week which featured this topic.

It is incredible that this is going on within our military. It needs to be made public and stopped immediately!

This is not the New Crusades, people!
 
This is not only in complete opposition to every principle this country stands for, but politically and diplomatically it is colossally stupid as well.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
nor sure about those army pukes, but as a marine I always hunted people in praise of Odin.
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Hunting people for Odin makes more sense.

If the article and info is true, someone needs to fire whoever is in charge of this "christian jihad".
 
froggie said:
What is currently going on in Afghanistan?

Is the Army really promoting a Crusade?

Are they passing out those ridiculous cartoon pamphlets and Bibles while in full uniform and on tanks?

Did the Secretary of the Army really make a speech at West Point in which he stated we are at battle with Islam?

What is going on in Pentagon where they are trying to make soldiers for Jesus?

We know that they were trying to use the Air Force Academy to create military missionaries?

A speech given by Army Lieutenant Colonel Greg Metzgar before the Officers Christian Fellowship – a group with 15,000 active members at 80 percent of military bases – in which he stressed: “Christian soldiers must always consider themselves behind enemy lines, even within the ranks, because every unsaved member of the military is a potential agent of ‘spiritual terrorism.’”

http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/harpers_newsstand.html

I plan to go and buy the Harper's magazine, this sounds like a very good article.

Bill Mahr also had a very good program this week which featured this topic.

It is incredible that this is going on within our military. It needs to be made public and stopped immediately!

This is not the New Crusades, people!
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Ok... in that link we have the quote you presented and a few other incidents...

Obviously the 'Jesus killed Mohamed' quote is not a good idea, but that was one group of soldiers and there is nothing in the info provided thus far to suggest this was rampant at the time nor did it suggest that it was still taking place. So if you don't have something more recent, wouldn't that suggest that crap like that had been handled by the chain of command?

As far as the one you quoted... you quoted a 'Christian' talking to a group of 'Christians' about 'being Christian'... nothing at all wrong with that. They have every right to believe as they do. Had the same speech been given in front of a more diverse group (meaning... not just Christians) then you would have a point.

Where in there did it suggest the Pentagon was trying to make 'soldiers for Jesus'????
 
I am not sure what is in the article, like I said, I haven't read it and the statement that the Pentagon is doing this comes from other sources and incidents.

I read quite extensively on the subject of Christocrats and the measures they are taking to turn America into a Christian Theocracy.

Travel the Road and God Soldier's are two video productions that the Pentagon gave a green light to be produced.

Here is another article I read on the matter and Ron Reagan was talking about it on his program last Friday, I think.

It is an ongoing issue and there are several high level generals involved.

http://www.pubrecord.org/religion/565-military-deeply-involved-in-christian-reality-television-show.html

The military and Christocrats was also mentioned in the book "The Baptizing of America" by Rabbi James Rudin.

The group Military Religious Freedom Foundation also has information on its website and a is taking legal action against the military for their evangelization techniques being used by some commanders and soldiers to bring the Afghans and Iraqis to Jesus.

It concerns me that the Pentagon would be involved in any type of religious activity accept for supplying a chaplain for the soldiers who wanted one.

Any other involvement by the military is un-Constitutional, IMO
 
froggie said:
I am not sure what is in the article, like I said, I haven't read it and the statement that the Pentagon is doing this comes from other sources and incidents.

I read quite extensively on the subject of Christocrats and the measures they are taking to turn America into a Christian Theocracy.

Travel the Road and God Soldier's are two video productions that the Pentagon gave a green light to be produced.

Here is another article I read on the matter and Ron Reagan was talking about it on his program last Friday, I think.

It is an ongoing issue and there are several high level generals involved.

http://www.pubrecord.org/religion/565-military-deeply-involved-in-christian-reality-television-show.html

The military and Christocrats was also mentioned in the book "The Baptizing of America" by Rabbi James Rudin.

The group Military Religious Freedom Foundation also has information on its website and a is taking legal action against the military for their evangelization techniques being used by some commanders and soldiers to bring the Afghans and Iraqis to Jesus.

It concerns me that the Pentagon would be involved in any type of religious activity accept for supplying a chaplain for the soldiers who wanted one.

Any other involvement by the military is un-Constitutional, IMO
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Ok, I am not familiar with the military's specific codes, but the first (travel the road) is a documentary type cable program where two men (non-military it appears) travel the GLOBE trying to convert people. The pentagon gave them permission to be embedded with the Armyin Afghanistan to film part of the second season of the series. As long as the military does not discriminate among those requesting to be embedded, I do not see how this is a big deal.

The second 'Gods soldier' seems equally harmless. Filming chaplains doing what chaplains do? Ok... where is the problem? Are they forcing people to attend services? Are they forcing anyone to listen or practice religion? If not, then this is just bullshit as far as I can tell. That said, I am basing my opinion on the info that has been provided thus far.
 
bottom line.... I dont see the 'millitary' or 'Pentagon' doing anything in either case other than authorizing filiming. Which to me equates to BFD.
 
froggie said:
What is currently going on in Afghanistan?

Is the Army really promoting a Crusade?

Are they passing out those ridiculous cartoon pamphlets and Bibles while in full uniform and on tanks?

Did the Secretary of the Army really make a speech at West Point in which he stated we are at battle with Islam?

What is going on in Pentagon where they are trying to make soldiers for Jesus?

We know that they were trying to use the Air Force Academy to create military missionaries?

A speech given by Army Lieutenant Colonel Greg Metzgar before the Officers Christian Fellowship – a group with 15,000 active members at 80 percent of military bases – in which he stressed: “Christian soldiers must always consider themselves behind enemy lines, even within the ranks, because every unsaved member of the military is a potential agent of ‘spiritual terrorism.’”

http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/harpers_newsstand.html

I plan to go and buy the Harper's magazine, this sounds like a very good article.

Bill Mahr also had a very good program this week which featured this topic.

It is incredible that this is going on within our military. It needs to be made public and stopped immediately!

This is not the New Crusades, people!
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I'm going to buy the mag also, since you can't read the article online without forking over $16+!
 
So, what about the passing out of Bibles from a tank with their uniforms on in an Islamic country? Do you think this is proper military procedure?

Do you think that is not a BFD?

I don't see it the same way that you do, SF. I don't think that these people should be imbedded with the units, period. The reporters for the news are the only ones who should be going along for the ride.

The military should not give the impression that it is Christian and to me, this is what all of this is doing.
 
froggie said:
So, what about the passing out of Bibles from a tank with their uniforms on in an Islamic country? Do you think this is proper military procedure?

Do you think that is not a BFD?

I don't see it the same way that you do, SF. I don't think that these people should be imbedded with the units, period. The reporters for the news are the only ones who should be going along for the ride.

The military should not give the impression that it is Christian and to me, this is what all of this is doing.
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I could not disagree more... while I personally do not care about these two particular projects, I think the documentary aspect is far more beneficial than embedding the news media. All the news idiots want to do is sensationalize everything. Which is probably why we dont hear much out of Iraq from them anymore.... it is too boring now that the death toll has been minimilized in the past year. That is all they care about. The documentary aspect would give us a wide range of perspectives, more in depth looks at what is going on over there etc....

As for the 'don't give them the impression of being Christian' portion of your comments.... I think the vast majority of Muslims understand that the majority of Americans are Christian. They also understand that there are Americans that are Jewish, Atheist, Muslim, Hindu, etc.... I think they have a far better understanding of our culture than we do theirs. (just my opinion)

So if some military members want to hand out bibles... well... given that there is a Chrisitan minority within Iraq, I don't see this as any type of major affront. I am just guessing here, but I would imagine that most people that celebrate the Islamic faith are more than willing to discuss and listen to positions taken by other religions (or even different sects of their own). Likewise, I think there exists (obviously) a minority that is very violently opposed to different views (again, even with other sects of Islam). We see the same thing within Chrisitanity.

As for these incidents, I think the author of the article you posted is blowing these events out of proportion. I do not see these events happening on a wide scale nor do I see it as some grand conspiracy within the Pentagon. Again, just my opinion.
 
Superfreak said:
Ok, I am not familiar with the military's specific codes, but the first (travel the road) is a documentary type cable program where two men (non-military it appears) travel the GLOBE trying to convert people. The pentagon gave them permission to be embedded with the Armyin Afghanistan to film part of the second season of the series. As long as the military does not discriminate among those requesting to be embedded, I do not see how this is a big deal.

The second 'Gods soldier' seems equally harmless. Filming chaplains doing what chaplains do? Ok... where is the problem? Are they forcing people to attend services? Are they forcing anyone to listen or practice religion? If not, then this is just bullshit as far as I can tell. That said, I am basing my opinion on the info that has been provided thus far.
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Not only that, but the military chaplaincy is as religiously diverse as America is itself.
 
No problem, you gave some good insights, and somethings for me to think about.

The majority of the Afghan population is probably moderate, but the people who control them are not. I see our troops handing out Bibles as a way to inflame. I also do not think that the military should be in the business of conversion.

I guess it just goes along with my idea of the separation of church and state.

It is worrisome to me that there is any religious zealots in the Pentagon, like Boykins. One is too many in my opinion.

The military, the Pentagon should be neutral on religion.

I also don't think that they should sponsor Sporting events with tax payer dollars, but I seem to be in the minority on these things.

It concerns me some of the plans the religious right has for America. I am not a Christian and I don't want a Theocracy and there is a faction in America that would very much like this to be a Christian nation, huh, Ice Dancer...

It may seem insignificant, but they sneak up on you and an inch leads to a mile and I think they have gone too far in the last thirty years and I don't want them to have anymore power than they have been trying to steal!
 
froggie said:
No problem, you gave some good insights, and somethings for me to think about.

The majority of the Afghan population is probably moderate, but the people who control them are not. I see our troops handing out Bibles as a way to inflame. I also do not think that the military should be in the business of conversion.

I guess it just goes along with my idea of the separation of church and state.

It is worrisome to me that there is any religious zealots in the Pentagon, like Boykins. One is too many in my opinion.

The military, the Pentagon should be neutral on religion.

I also don't think that they should sponsor Sporting events with tax payer dollars, but I seem to be in the minority on these things.

It concerns me some of the plans the religious right has for America. I am not a Christian and I don't want a Theocracy and there is a faction in America that would very much like this to be a Christian nation, huh, Ice Dancer...

It may seem insignificant, but they sneak up on you and an inch leads to a mile and I think they have gone too far in the last thirty years and I don't want them to have anymore power than they have been trying to steal!
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I don't think the military IS in the business of conversion. Some of its members might be and that is their right. I would agree that the timing is poor for this attempt given the escalation of hostilities in Afghanistan.

The people in control of Afghanistan are moderate as well. It is the former leadership in the Taliban that is extreme.

I think you would be hard pressed to find any large organization without zealots. If you think about it, if zealots account for only 1/10th of one percent of the population then statistically you would have one for every thousand people within a large organization. Some of them are bound to rise to the top tiers of the organizations over time.

Again, I think the military and the Pentagon ARE both neutral with regards to religion. The author is simply pointing out examples of INDIVIDUALS within the military that are not and then projecting that onto the military/Pentagon as a whole.
 
Superfreak said:
I don't think the military IS in the business of conversion. Some of its members might be and that is their right. I would agree that the timing is poor for this attempt given the escalation of hostilities in Afghanistan.

The people in control of Afghanistan are moderate as well. It is the former leadership in the Taliban that is extreme.

I think you would be hard pressed to find any large organization without zealots. If you think about it, if zealots account for only 1/10th of one percent of the population then statistically you would have one for every thousand people within a large organization. Some of them are bound to rise to the top tiers of the organizations over time.

Again, I think the military and the Pentagon ARE both neutral with regards to religion. The author is simply pointing out examples of INDIVIDUALS within the military that are not and then projecting that onto the military/Pentagon as a whole.
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I have a feeling that this is being blown WAY out of proportion.
Some agency saw a few US soldiers handing out Bibles and are trying to make this look like the Crusades.
What if these same individuals had asked for the Bibles and the soldiers acquired them and gave them to them??

It seems that there are those that want to believe that there are no Christians in any of the Arabic countries.
 
He has claimed in an interview recently on MSNBC that it is more widespread than a few individuals.
I guess if the suit is successful we will find out the truth or some of it, anyway.

I don't know if you ever get the full scope when it comes to the military affairs.
 
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