Military lawyers criticize Gitmo

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This article is very revealing. More diehard bush supporters are pointing out abuses in the system at Guantanamo. The sooner we close that place, the better.

Lt. Col. Darrel Vandeveld had seen colleagues die in combat, commit suicide and suffer excruciating injuries.

When he was assigned to prosecute a Guantanamo detainee accused of wounding two U.S. soldiers and their interpreter in Afghanistan with a grenade, the U.S. Army Reserve judge advocate was more than ready.

"He was hard-charging, aggressive, what I would call a 'true believer,' " said Maj. David J.R. Frakt, attorney for defendant Mohammed Jawad. His attitude toward the defense during Mr. Jawad's arraignment in April 2008 was "hostile, almost snarling," said Maj. Frakt.

"When Jawad took the witness stand, he attacked him, basically calling him a liar."

But by fall, Lt. Col. Vandeveld -- in civilian life, a Pennsylvania senior deputy attorney general from Erie -- had asked to be reassigned, potentially derailing his future in the military. In September, he would testify for the defense in the case.

The complete turnabout by a man committed to the military and to military justice came after months spent shuttling between the Washington, D.C., headquarters of the Office of Military Commissions -- established in 2006 to prosecute terror suspects -- and Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba. Hundreds of suspected Islamist militants detained in the Middle East have been held at Guantanamo since 2002, most for years without trial.


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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09130/968880-84.stm
 
LOL

Liberal logic, anybody that served in the military according to you was a die hard Bush supporter.

That's funny because that was my first thought as well. The way he's being described is as a hard charging lawyer who initially enthusiactically supported the program. I guess that equates to "die hard Bush supporter".

The use of hyperbole is not really a partisan thing as we all use it at one time or another. But this definitely seems to be an example of it.
 
Well, that is what we are told all the time by Tutu, that the military all voted for Bush and they apparently adored him as commander in chief, as we were always told by the hyperbolic connies.

Liberal logic, don't you wish you had some, or any logic in your party would be helpful at this point.

You guys gonna run Cheney in 2012?
 
LOL

Liberal logic, anybody that served in the military according to you was a die hard Bush supporter.

I suppose it's possible that there lives a liberal who would call his fellow liberals the "blame America first" crowd -- but I certainly wouldn't take your word for it. :p

Lt. Col. Vandeveld, who had come back from Iraq in August 2006, said he'd read media reports about allegations of possible mistreatment of detainees and court challenges to the judicial process at Guantanamo.

"I was dismissive of that. I thought it came from the 'Blame America First' crowd," he said. "I also had faith in our military".
 
Well, that is what we are told all the time by Tutu, that the military all voted for Bush and they apparently adored him as commander in chief, as we were always told by the hyperbolic connies.

Liberal logic, don't you wish you had some, or any logic in your party would be helpful at this point.

You guys gonna run Cheney in 2012?

Or will they run Palin and make it easy for Obama to be a two term president.
 
That's funny because that was my first thought as well. The way he's being described is as a hard charging lawyer who initially enthusiactically supported the program. I guess that equates to "die hard Bush supporter".

The use of hyperbole is not really a partisan thing as we all use it at one time or another. But this definitely seems to be an example of it.

It wasn't liberals who created the phrase "blame America first crowd", a phrase the "hard-charging lawyer" used when he first took on his assignment.

I notice that you and webway have nothing to say about the story itself, which is telling.
 
Well, that is what we are told all the time by Tutu, that the military all voted for Bush and they apparently adored him as commander in chief, as we were always told by the hyperbolic connies.

Liberal logic, don't you wish you had some, or any logic in your party would be helpful at this point.

You guys gonna run Cheney in 2012?

Yes, wasn't it rush or o'reilly who reamed out a caller who was an ex-serviceman criticizing the war, and called him un-American?

Connies seem to see everything in black and white.
 
It wasn't liberals who created the phrase "blame America first crowd", a phrase the "hard-charging lawyer" used when he first took on his assignment.

I notice that you and webway have nothing to say about the story itself, which is telling.

Anyone who uses hyperbole to try and hype up their story tend to lose the effect of the story. That's what you did in your opening.
 
Anyone who uses hyperbole to try and hype up their story tend to lose the effect of the story. That's what you did in your opening.

It's only hyperbole to the two conservatives who responded.

In any event, how is calling someone a "diehard bush supporter" hyperbole?
 
It's only hyperbole to the two conservatives who responded.

In any event, how is calling someone a "diehard bush supporter" hyperbole?

In this case it is because the article makes no reference of him being one. Must one be a "die hard supporter" to support a specific policy? Because I can show you a lot of people in S.F. that hate Bush but really liked his AIDS policy for example.
 
It's only hyperbole to the two conservatives who responded.

In any event, how is calling someone a "diehard bush supporter" hyperbole?

Well if you mean other liberals agree with you would you consider that surprising?

I'm just offering you my opinion and I said it was a non-partisan thing. All people use hyperbole.
 
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