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I was riding home today after a middle distance bicycle ride, tired and a bit out of shape when I started counting cars, America - foreign, American - foreign. It occurred to me if only a small percentage of these people, the people who can afford more than a used clunker, bought American there would be no problems in one of our largest industries today. And lots of people would have a job and lots of businesses would be OK. May even help those incompetent bankers.

So I started giving thumbs up for American and thumbs down for foreign. Hard to distinguish which foreign car is made here, but no need I am a bit of a hard core American when it comes to cars. My '55' Chevy was my first love.

I'm sure the people thought me spastic, as my left hand thumb pointed up, then down, then up as cars drove by. Did anyone figure it out I wondered. Who is this nut! So if the whiners who lost the election can out of the blue, protest taxes, can we not protest something that has been going on for years due to cheaper prices, support structures, and no pensions, but still is having an insidious affect on our industrial base?

So if you own foreign go to you nearest mirror and give yourself a thumbs down and if you own American and thus support all of us and America, a thumbs up is due and thank you. Take to the streets and express yourself. The bankers thank you too.

Oh, and my bicycle is made in America too.

http://bumperstickers.cafepress.com/made-in-usa

http://www.politicalpass.com/2009/03/buy-american-support-yourself/
 
midcan5 said:
I was riding home today after a middle distance bicycle ride, tired and a bit out of shape when I started counting cars, America - foreign, American - foreign. It occurred to me if only a small percentage of these people, the people who can afford more than a used clunker, bought American there would be no problems in one of our largest industries today. And lots of people would have a job and lots of businesses would be OK. May even help those incompetent bankers.

So I started giving thumbs up for American and thumbs down for foreign. Hard to distinguish which foreign car is made here, but no need I am a bit of a hard core American when it comes to cars. My '55' Chevy was my first love.

I'm sure the people thought me spastic, as my left hand thumb pointed up, then down, then up as cars drove by. Did anyone figure it out I wondered. Who is this nut! So if the whiners who lost the election can out of the blue, protest taxes, can we not protest something that has been going on for years due to cheaper prices, support structures, and no pensions, but still is having an insidious affect on our industrial base?

So if you own foreign go to you nearest mirror and give yourself a thumbs down and if you own American and thus support all of us and America, a thumbs up is due and thank you. Take to the streets and express yourself. The bankers thank you too.

Oh, and my bicycle is made in America too.

http://bumperstickers.cafepress.com/made-in-usa

http://www.politicalpass.com/2009/03/buy-american-support-yourself/
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I buy used cars, so I am not going to be much help.
 
I buy quality which means americans haven't been in the running.
I am considering a ford escape with the low pricing right now.
 
The problem is they're making cars that nobody wants to buy. Why keep the industry afloat by buying a car I don't want when market forces will make them produce a car I will want down the road.

BTW I own a Jeep.
 
ib1yysguy said:
The problem is they're making cars that nobody wants to buy. Why keep the industry afloat by buying a car I don't want when market forces will make them produce a car I will want down the road.

BTW I own a Jeep.
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Since when do you believe in market forces tough guy?
 
midcan5 said:
I was riding home today after a middle distance bicycle ride, tired and a bit out of shape when I started counting cars, America - foreign, American - foreign. It occurred to me if only a small percentage of these people, the people who can afford more than a used clunker, bought American there would be no problems in one of our largest industries today. And lots of people would have a job and lots of businesses would be OK. May even help those incompetent bankers.

So I started giving thumbs up for American and thumbs down for foreign. Hard to distinguish which foreign car is made here, but no need I am a bit of a hard core American when it comes to cars. My '55' Chevy was my first love.

I'm sure the people thought me spastic, as my left hand thumb pointed up, then down, then up as cars drove by. Did anyone figure it out I wondered. Who is this nut! So if the whiners who lost the election can out of the blue, protest taxes, can we not protest something that has been going on for years due to cheaper prices, support structures, and no pensions, but still is having an insidious affect on our industrial base?

So if you own foreign go to you nearest mirror and give yourself a thumbs down and if you own American and thus support all of us and America, a thumbs up is due and thank you. Take to the streets and express yourself. The bankers thank you too.

Oh, and my bicycle is made in America too.

http://bumperstickers.cafepress.com/made-in-usa

http://www.politicalpass.com/2009/03/buy-american-support-yourself/
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"Foreign" cars are made in the US. Here in The South we manufacture Toyota, BMW, Nissan... The difference is we don't have unions, a huge savings in cost. So if you want to save the US car companies then help them get rid of the unions.
 
All the same stale nonsense replies - how damn boring!

We have owned Chevy, Pontiac, Buick and Saturn and all were fine cars. I can't buy a single excuse because that is all they are. But hopefully enough people will start supporting local business.

And this suggestion is for those who care about the country, its workers, and its economy, it is not for those who follows fads or trends.
 
Southern Man said:
"Foreign" cars are made in the US. Here in The South we manufacture Toyota, BMW, Nissan... The difference is we don't have unions, a huge savings in cost. So if you want to save the US car companies then help them get rid of the unions.
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And you support them by tax incentives and no pensions. Sorry, but there is nothing wrong with a decent wage and good retirement in my book. And you put them together, as manufacturing is leaving, same as how all your furniture now comes from China, but you go on believing.
 
midcan5 said:
All the same stale nonsense replies - how damn boring!

We have owned Chevy, Pontiac, Buick and Saturn and all were fine cars. I can't buy a single excuse because that is all they are. But hopefully enough people will start supporting local business.

And this suggestion is for those who care about the country, its workers, and its economy, it is not for those who follows fads or trends.
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If you want to kick down some cash and help a brother buy a new car instead of a used one I'd be glad to join you in supporting our American automakers.

But to claim its boring and stale nonsense to those who can't afford new cars sounds awfully free market and libertarian of you.
 
midcan5 said:
And you support them by tax incentives and no pensions. Sorry, but there is nothing wrong with a decent wage and good retirement in my book. And you put them together, as manufacturing is leaving, same as how all your furniture now comes from China, but you go on believing.
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Its a damn shame in a lot of ways that manufacturing is leaving but if the causes are ignored they will continue to do so. At this rate very few will see a decent wage and good retirement.
 
midcan5 said:
I was riding home today after a middle distance bicycle ride, tired and a bit out of shape when I started counting cars, America - foreign, American - foreign. It occurred to me if only a small percentage of these people, the people who can afford more than a used clunker, bought American there would be no problems in one of our largest industries today. And lots of people would have a job and lots of businesses would be OK. May even help those incompetent bankers.

So I started giving thumbs up for American and thumbs down for foreign. Hard to distinguish which foreign car is made here, but no need I am a bit of a hard core American when it comes to cars. My '55' Chevy was my first love.

I'm sure the people thought me spastic, as my left hand thumb pointed up, then down, then up as cars drove by. Did anyone figure it out I wondered. Who is this nut! So if the whiners who lost the election can out of the blue, protest taxes, can we not protest something that has been going on for years due to cheaper prices, support structures, and no pensions, but still is having an insidious affect on our industrial base?

So if you own foreign go to you nearest mirror and give yourself a thumbs down and if you own American and thus support all of us and America, a thumbs up is due and thank you. Take to the streets and express yourself. The bankers thank you too.

Oh, and my bicycle is made in America too.

http://bumperstickers.cafepress.com/made-in-usa

http://www.politicalpass.com/2009/03/buy-american-support-yourself/
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Made in the USA? The Truth behind the Labels

http://www.economyincrisis.org/articles/show/2881
 
cawacko said:
If you want to kick down some cash and help a brother buy a new car instead of a used one I'd be glad to join you in supporting our American automakers.

But to claim its boring and stale nonsense to those who can't afford new cars sounds awfully free market and libertarian of you.
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I could afford one. I just figure I'll let some other schmuck lose the $10k for driving it off the lot. And let them find the serious lemons. I'll spend way less for essentially the same vehicle.
 
midcan5 said:
And you support them by tax incentives and no pensions. Sorry, but there is nothing wrong with a decent wage and good retirement in my book. And you put them together, as manufacturing is leaving, same as how all your furniture now comes from China, but you go on believing.
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The problem comes when the definition of "decent wage" exceeds the practical economic input of the wage earner. When "decent wage" is placed on too high a pedestal we end up losing the job to either automation or to foreign competition. Then "decent wage" becomes a mere abstract, since a decent wage for a job that does not exist is significantly lower than a low wage for a job that does exist. The problem with union labor in many markets is the unions lost sight of the concept that a decent wage should also be a fair wage, and instead promoted a definition based on greed.

There is also nothing wrong with an employer providing programs that assist their employees in planning and saving for their retirement. There is, however, as recent economic events have proven, a problem with demanding indefinitely ongoing direct payments to prior employees who no longer contribute to the economic health of the company. In fact, these long term payments for no input are a large factor in the difficulties and in some cases outright failure of U.S. industry. When people averaged life spans only a few years past retirement the pension plan was workable. When people live 2, 3, sometimes 4 decades beyond retirement, it is no longer wrokable and a new plan needs to be put in place. A far better plan to meet modern circumstances would be for an employer to use standardized or minimum plus matching contributions to individual retirement accounts as part of their benefit package, rather than contract for indefinite payments from a finite pension fund. Then it is up to the individual, upon retirement, to manage their retirement funds.

Fair wages and decent wages need to become synonymous if the American worker is to expect a good market in the types of jobs that command good wages. Individual responsibility for post retirement also needs to be the new approach to economic health.

That being said, I never have and never will own a car with a foreign manufacturer label.
 
LOL

MC owns an American made car, a American made bicycle, and yet he probably submitted his post from a computer made in Japan, go to the mirror and give yourself one of these. :321:
 
midcan5 said:
I was riding home today after a middle distance bicycle ride, tired and a bit out of shape when I started counting cars, America - foreign, American - foreign. It occurred to me if only a small percentage of these people, the people who can afford more than a used clunker, bought American there would be no problems in one of our largest industries today. And lots of people would have a job and lots of businesses would be OK. May even help those incompetent bankers.

So I started giving thumbs up for American and thumbs down for foreign. Hard to distinguish which foreign car is made here, but no need I am a bit of a hard core American when it comes to cars. My '55' Chevy was my first love.

I'm sure the people thought me spastic, as my left hand thumb pointed up, then down, then up as cars drove by. Did anyone figure it out I wondered. Who is this nut! So if the whiners who lost the election can out of the blue, protest taxes, can we not protest something that has been going on for years due to cheaper prices, support structures, and no pensions, but still is having an insidious affect on our industrial base?

So if you own foreign go to you nearest mirror and give yourself a thumbs down and if you own American and thus support all of us and America, a thumbs up is due and thank you. Take to the streets and express yourself. The bankers thank you too.

Oh, and my bicycle is made in America too.

http://bumperstickers.cafepress.com/made-in-usa

http://www.politicalpass.com/2009/03/buy-american-support-yourself/
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I have to say I look down on the public for its TOTAL HYPOCRACY on this one. If stupid Americans want the Big 3, they should buy American. If they don't, then they should STFU. I find it galling as a guy who drives a Ford product (and whose Dad buys American) that we were told to bail out the Big 3 buy a bunch of fucktards who never supported them until now.

Screw you, America!
 
Here's the thing, the American auto industry has screwed the pooch. Years of being manipulated by the UAW, has left them at a distinct disadvantage on the world market, because they can no longer compete. Once was a time, American quality could offset the increased cost of American union workers, but those days are long gone. The typical American auto worker is more concerned with how much of a raise he will get, how much paid leave, or how much pension, not about the quality of the product.

So, now we have pinheads screaming at us and shooting us birds, because we aren't buying a piece of shit car for way more than it's worth? And they won't stop with screaming and bird shooting, they will eventually try to mandate what turd cars we buy, through import tariffs or outright boycotts of foreign cars. Fascist little bastards!

I have no bias for or against American made cars. I have owned about every make there is, and some were good and others not so good, but I have to say, Japanese-built cars are the most reliable, dependable, and cheapest to operate. If American car companies start making a product which rivals the Japanese, then I will buy it! Until then, don't ask me to purchase an inferior product, just so I can continue to support a "socialized labor" system that has failed miserably.
 
midcan5 said:
I was riding home today after a middle distance bicycle ride, tired and a bit out of shape when I started counting cars, America - foreign, American - foreign. It occurred to me if only a small percentage of these people, the people who can afford more than a used clunker, bought American there would be no problems in one of our largest industries today. And lots of people would have a job and lots of businesses would be OK. May even help those incompetent bankers.

So I started giving thumbs up for American and thumbs down for foreign. Hard to distinguish which foreign car is made here, but no need I am a bit of a hard core American when it comes to cars. My '55' Chevy was my first love.

I'm sure the people thought me spastic, as my left hand thumb pointed up, then down, then up as cars drove by. Did anyone figure it out I wondered. Who is this nut! So if the whiners who lost the election can out of the blue, protest taxes, can we not protest something that has been going on for years due to cheaper prices, support structures, and no pensions, but still is having an insidious affect on our industrial base?

So if you own foreign go to you nearest mirror and give yourself a thumbs down and if you own American and thus support all of us and America, a thumbs up is due and thank you. Take to the streets and express yourself. The bankers thank you too.

Oh, and my bicycle is made in America too.

http://bumperstickers.cafepress.com/made-in-usa

http://www.politicalpass.com/2009/03/buy-american-support-yourself/
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There is no 'American' automobiles anymore midcan. My dad used to work for Ford, and he lost his job to China or Mexico. The plants shut-down here and moved to where there was cheaper labor.
 
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