Because We Can't Talk About It Enough . . . Another Torture Thread

belme1201 said:
Does that mean let's all join hands, get along, and allow torture to continue?
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Not at all belme, we need to move forward, I have seen articles that make it seem waterboarding is ok and seen others were it isn't, but as we all argue over this, is the economy getting better? Are our troops on there way home? Are we safe from terrorism?

I feel GW made mistakes no doubt, but I don't see Obama doing anything different, What I am saying is all this stuff is taken away from the countries real needs, and I honestly wonder if that isn't why it is talked about so much? Not real sure, but I feel we need to come together as a nation ( just how Obama promised he was going to run his administration ) and get back on track
 
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ib1yysguy said:
There's basically no amount of evidence or testimony that would convince the Grinds and Dixies of the world that waterboarding is torture. They've taken the faith-based position that the Bush administration would never resort to anything quite so terrible as torture and there's nothing you can do to change their minds short of forcing them to experience it first hand.
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it has nothing to do with faith. The way we have done waterboarding does not leave any damage to a person. It leaves no physical harm, leaves no scars, inflicts no wounds. Of course it's uncomfortable. No one said it was fun.

The fact that we have lots of people volunteering to try it out is even more conclusive how tame it is on the grand scale of things. If it were true torture people wouldn't be lining up to give it a go as if it were an amusment park ride.

So yes, you'll have a hard time convincing me that it's torture. But then even if you are able to you'll then have to convince me why I should be up in arms and losing sleep over something that does not leave any physical wounds or scars on terrorists.

Get your priorities straight you pussies, this is just another thing for pussies to have a good cry over. It's like you get off on feeling guilty. Something has to fill that hole for you so now you've found waterboarding. Hopefully in a few months you'll shut the fuck up for a bit before your heart starts bleeding over the blinking panda of the amazon.
 
Grind said:
it has nothing to do with faith. The way we have done waterboarding does not leave any damage to a person. It leaves no physical harm, leaves no scars, inflicts no wounds. Of course it's uncomfortable. No one said it was fun.

The fact that we have lots of people volunteering to try it out is even more conclusive how tame it is on the grand scale of things. If it were true torture people wouldn't be lining up to give it a go as if it were an amusment park ride.

So yes, you'll have a hard time convincing me that it's torture. But then even if you are able to you'll then have to convince me why I should be up in arms and losing sleep over something that does not leave any physical wounds or scars on terrorists.

Get your priorities straight you pussies, this is just another thing for pussies to have a good cry over. It's like you get off on feeling guilty. Something has to fill that hole for you so now you've found waterboarding. Hopefully in a few months you'll shut the fuck up for a bit before your heart starts bleeding over the blinking panda of the amazon.
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go read the definition of torture in the UN Convention Against Torture. NOWHERE does it say that, in order to be torture, a technique must "leave damage".
 
SR_ said:
Its hilarious that anyone would take a publicity stunt, a radio DJ, and use THIS as evidence to define what is and isnt torture. lol

"it reminded him of a childhood memory of when he almost drowned.." lol

As an interrogation technique you expect that it would be uncomfortable, it is a harsh way to interrogate someone. But in this case... just as in every other case.. the person walked away, alive, with no physical harm, no lasting physical pain, and a demonstrated effectiveness of the technique. 6 seconds to demonstrate a willingness for it to stop, with no threat of death, no physical harm, no lasting physical pain.. these are the exact OPPOSITE terms associated with ACTUAL torture.

How can it be equated if they are the exact opposite of each other?

These techniques were used on 3 or 4 TOP LEVEL al queda operatives. These techniques were administered by experts under close supervision with medical teams on standby. AND ALL THREE of these Al Queda terrorists are alive, fed very well, provided with better medical care than anyone reading this post. They are given religious items whenever they prefer, as well as other torturous atrocities . They are also responsible for the death of over 3 thousand Americans.

I realize that some of you believe that using handcuffs on a prisoner, restricting their ability to scratch their own nose is torture. I mean, when your nose itches not allowing a person to scratch is just inhumane and way too uncomfortable for a dignified human being to suffer through. What about the conditions of keeping a live human being in a cell? Restricting their freedom and interaction with other human beings? The entire concept of detaining terrorists OR criminals is torture for the incarcerated. Waterboarding is no different. Can anyone here guess how long Mancow would last in other uncomfortable situations... like taking a shower without hot water? Torturous situations like that? lol

Some of you need a little perspective before you support idiotic conclusions.

Dungheap: "Im so ashamed to be an American. We tortured high level terrorists after we kidnapped them from their villas"

France:"Oh yeah, what did you do? Cut their feet off? Cut off some fingers? Beat them? Flog them? Break their bones? Put your cigarettes out in their eyes? Bound them with ropes in positions and then tighten to the ropes until you pull their limbs out of their sockets? Electrocute them? Brand them?

Dungheap: "No... none of that.. worse. We fed them well, we provided them with medical care, we provided them with religious items... and we poured water on their face.... And i know thats torture because some DJ tried it and told me so.. I use that as my proof..."


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SR
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Apparently my humor was lost on some.

I don't pretend that I'll be able to convince you jackasses that waterboarding is torture. You can lead a horse to water . . .
 
tom prendergast said:
Surely the point is that they both Hitchens and Muller thought that waterboarding wasn't that bad until they tried themselves. They were also aware that they weren't going to drown yet it didn't stop them thinking that they were all the same.
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well i don't know about man cow but hitchens is a liberal pussy with a political agenda. So yeah.. doesn't impress me much.
 
maineman said:
go read the definition of torture in the UN Convention Against Torture. NOWHERE does it say that, in order to be torture, a technique must "leave damage".
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hey maineman what's the next thing I'm going to say? You should know me well enough now...
 
tom prendergast said:
I love to know how long some of these macho men would last, Dumbo would be a good candidate to start with.
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Most people would say that even using lubrication before havING a dick shoved up their ass, would be torture; but then there are those, like you, that pay to have it done to them.

The only difference between you and a refrigerator, is that the refrigerator doesn't bitch and moan when the meat is removed.
 
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Grind said:
link me sir.
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I am STUNNED that you would attempt to inject your thoughts into this discussion if you were, in fact, so poorly informed.

Well... I guess "stunned" is really not the right word... "mildly amused" might be more accurate.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_Against_Torture[/ame]


"Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity."

believing that you are about to die by drowning clearly qualifies as a situation that would inflict severe mental pain or suffering.
 
Jeff said:
Not at all belme, we need to move forward, I have seen articles that make it seem waterboarding is ok and seen others were it isn't, but as we all argue over this, is the economy getting better? Are our troops on there way home? Are we safe from terrorism?

I feel GW made mistakes no doubt, but I don't see Obama doing anything different, What I am saying is all this stuff is taken away from the countries real needs, and I honestly wonder if that isn't why it is talked about so much? Not real sure, but I feel we need to come together as a nation ( just how Obama promised he was going to run his administration ) and get back on track
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When does "getting along" mean capitulation? I would no sooner give in to my country permitting torture than anti-abortion folks would give their position up in order to get along. I know it would be nice but is it human nature? Obama stopped the torture but has allowed Guantanamo to continue with military tribunals. Has it ended the criticism? Certainly Cheney is not out on the stump trying to "get along", nor are all those other voices willing to dehumanize a country that once punished and executed torturers.
 
belme1201 said:
When does "getting along" mean capitulation? I would no sooner give in to my country permitting torture than anti-abortion folks would give their position up in order to get along. I know it would be nice but is it human nature? Obama stopped the torture but has allowed Guantanamo to continue with military tribunals. Has it ended the criticism? Certainly Cheney is not out on the stump trying to "get along", nor are all those other voices willing to dehumanize a country that once punished and executed torturers.
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belme I guess it is wishful thinking, but I don't believe either party has our best interest in there heart, I feel on both sides they care more about there party than they do there country, wish there was a magic wand to fix things but there isn't, so I guess we keep going back and fourth until the country is completely tanked.
 
Jeff said:
belme I guess it is wishful thinking, but I don't believe either party has our best interest in there heart, I feel on both sides they care more about there party than they do there country, wish there was a magic wand to fix things but there isn't, so I guess we keep going back and fourth until the country is completely tanked.
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It is a problem.
 
Jeff said:
belme I guess it is wishful thinking, but I don't believe either party has our best interest in there heart, I feel on both sides they care more about there party than they do there country, wish there was a magic wand to fix things but there isn't, so I guess we keep going back and fourth until the country is completely tanked.
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And, each party defines "best interest" differently.
 
Grind said:
just quit being intellectually dishonest. How long madcow or hitchens last means absolute dick with regards to the merits of whether or not it's torture. If you want to claim it's torture - fine. But using people that volunteered who then "found out" that it wasn't a swell time is hardly relevant. It's like - NO FUCKING SHIT. The reason we use it in the first place is because those getting waterboarded DON'T LIKE IT. I mean... LOL? This is nothing new, this isn't news. It's just fucking stupid and gimmicy and you dumb proles eat it all up.
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Well for DECADES we, as in "WE THE PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA", considered it torture, so what changed?

Oh, right...now that we're using the technique, it no longer qualifies as "torture".

Keep up that spin.
 
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