The GOP...a WASP nest

Bfgrn said:
The most destructive Supreme Court ruling in our history was Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad, which created corporate personhood, in essence giving corporations rights that our founding fathers meant only for individuals
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This is debatable, depending on the aspect with which you view freedom, liberty, and the constitution. While it is indeed a horrific ruling, there are many to choose from that totally usurp power from the people and turn it over to the feds.
 
Bfgrn said:
I believe we've moved way too close to a corporatocracy. But I think it has to do with powerful influence by corporate lobbyists and special interests that evade the discipline of the free market though corporate subsidies. Our campaign-finance system is just a system of legalized bribery. But I don't buy that it has anything to do with ideology or belief. IMO you should prefer the Democrats over Republicans. The GOP is completely in the tank for corporations, and the Dems are around half...but the left is all over corporate abuse of power. The right are cheerleaders for corporations and the elite.

Our founding fathers would have never let corporations run our government. The Boston Tea Party was as much a rebellion of corporations like the British East India Company as it was a rebellion against oppressive government

The most destructive Supreme Court ruling in our history was Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad, which created corporate personhood, in essence giving corporations rights that our founding fathers meant only for individuals

Here's a good article on corporations...
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Corporations/Hx_Corporations_US.html

And a website dedicated to the issue of corporate personhood...
http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/personhood/
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I don't prefer the republicans over the democrats. While the republican party provides all the arguments that slavery is just good business, it's the democrat party which provides all the arguments that americans, in fact, deserve to be enslaved, as a form of social retribution against imperialist policies.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
This is debatable, depending on the aspect with which you view freedom, liberty, and the constitution. While it is indeed a horrific ruling, there are many to choose from that totally usurp power from the people and turn it over to the feds.
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I agree. The right to bear arms, property rights, the abuse of the powers of imminent domain and others are more important to me.
 
AssHatZombie said:
I don't prefer the republicans over the democrats. While the republican party provides all the arguments that slavery is just good business, it's the democrat party which provides all the arguments that americans, in fact, deserve to be enslaved, as a form of social retribution against imperialist policies.
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Do you always talk in hyperbolic rhyme? It obstructs reasonable discussion. We cannot change human nature or radically alter government...but it does matter what course and direction we choose.

Government sucks, but privatization eliminates all elected representation...

"The great French Marshall Lyautey once asked his gardener to plant a tree. The gardener objected that the tree was slow growing and would not reach maturity for 100 years. The Marshall replied, 'In that case, there is no time to lose; plant it this afternoon!' "
President John F. Kennedy
 
Bfgrn said:
Do you always talk in hyperbolic rhyme?
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No i do not, don't be a twat.
It obstructs reasonable discussion.
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no, it does not.
We cannot change human nature or radically alter government...but it does matter what course and direction we choose.
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The two parties both offer internationalist fascism and enslavement to americans.
Government sucks, but privatization eliminates all elected representation...
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But when all elected representation is controlled by corporations there is no real effect of holding elections anyway.
"The great French Marshall Lyautey once asked his gardener to plant a tree. The gardener objected that the tree was slow growing and would not reach maturity for 100 years. The Marshall replied, 'In that case, there is no time to lose; plant it this afternoon!' "
President John F. Kennedy
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Is this quote intended to be meaningful? Are you talking about the 'green chutes' meme of the cnbc on-air staff?
 
AssHatZombie said:
No i do not, don't be a twat.

no, it does not.

The two parties both offer internationalist fascism and enslavement to americans.

But when all elected representation is controlled by corporations there is no real effect of holding elections anyway.

Is this quote intended to be meaningful? Are you talking about the 'green chutes' meme of the cnbc on-air staff?
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I guess you just answered my question...

The quote has nothing to do with CNBC... it has to do with a pragmatic approach that has a sense of urgency and resolve, yet realistic expectations. It is the antithesis of hyperbole...
 
Bfgrn said:
I guess you just answered my question...

The quote has nothing to do with CNBC... it has to do with a pragmatic approach that has a sense of urgency and resolve, yet realistic expectations. It is the antithesis of hyperbole...
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Right, urgency and resolve without an iota of sense, the perfect emotional environment for fascism and genocide to take root.

Kill the white people.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Right, urgency and resolve without an iota of sense, the perfect emotional environment for fascism and genocide to take root.

Kill the white people.
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Well, it didn't take you long to show your true colors...you're a nut job...

WTF are you talking about? Don't you understand the quote?

If you believe YOU have answers; let's hear them Einstein
 
Bfgrn said:
Well, it didn't take you long to show your true colors...you're a nut job...

WTF are you talking about? Don't you understand the quote?

If you believe YOU have answers; let's hear them Einstein
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No. You think a sense of urgency and pragmatism is an intellectual position. That makes you the dumb one.
 
AssHatZombie said:
No. You think a sense of urgency and pragmatism is an intellectual position. That makes you the dumb one.
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OK, besides hyperbole you're inclined to make nut job statements with no definition or explanation...

So here's your chance... explain your accusation...
 
Bfgrn said:
OK, besides hyperbole you're inclined to make nut job statements with no definition or explanation...

So here's your chance... explain your accusation...
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you said:
it has to do with a pragmatic approach that has a sense of urgency and resolve, yet realistic expectations.
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You said this. Wtf are you talking about? You need to explain your idiocy.
 
Mottleydude said:
I don't know. On the surface I would agree with you but what's odd about the present situation is how conservative Republicans, those whom control the party apparatus at present, are reacting.

Politics is first and foremost a transactional busines, you know? Quid Pro Quo, you scratch my back and I scratch yours, and all that. Conservative Republicans have moved strongly away from that. They identify to heavily with ideology and being conservative then to practical political objectives.

Now most political parties when faced with the reality of a rapidly declining constituency understand that reform is in order for that party unless they wish to face electoral irrelevence but that's not happening with Republicans. Faced with the facts that this and other polls are showing, you would think the Republican party would be shitting it self and have a high priority of changing their message and adjusting their coalition so at to be competative in obtaining a ruling majority.

Insteady, they are reacting as if the life of the party is under attack. That if the party changes or shift ideology and/or it's identity that it would all together cease to represent their values and so the powers that be in the Republican party are shifting farther and farther to the reactionary right which, to state the obvious, is not politically tenable.

So will losing enough seats in the legislative branch to give Dems a super majority while we have a sitting Democratic President be enough of a warning shot for Republicans to reform their party if they don't wish to become completely irrelevant?

I would think it would but hell I though that would have happened sooner and not later so I"m not so sure now that it will happen.

So maybe the demise of the Republican party isn't being exagerated.
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The life of the GOP has been under attack for decades. When they tend toward "Democrat Lite" they screw up and lose elections. Either they can rediscover and embrace conservatism like they did with Reagen's leadership or they can go away.
 
AssHatZombie said:
You said this. Wtf are you talking about? You need to explain your idiocy.
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Simple, to SOLVE problems instead of yelling at the clouds, you need a sense of urgency and resolve, not complacency, cynicism, panic or hyperbole.

You need a pragmatic "common sense" approach

And you must have realistic expectations and patience...

"The ship of state is an ocean liner, it's not a speedboat. And so the way we are constantly thinking about this issue is to say, if we can move this big battleship a few degrees in a different direction, we may not see all the consequences of that change a week from now or three months from now, but 10 years from now, or 20 years from now."
President Barack Obama
 
Bfgrn said:
Simple, to SOLVE problems instead of yelling at the clouds, you need a sense of urgency and resolve, not complacency, cynicism, panic or hyperbole.
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Glittering generalities are pretty and shiny aren't they?
You need a pragmatic "common sense" approach

And you must have realistic expectations and patience...

"The ship of state is an ocean liner, it's not a speedboat. And so the way we are constantly thinking about this issue is to say, if we can move this big battleship a few degrees in a different direction, we may not see all the consequences of that change a week from now or three months from now, but 10 years from now, or 20 years from now."
President Barack Obama
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And you must not be an idiot. Try that.
 
Southern Man said:
The life of the GOP has been under attack for decades. When they tend toward "Democrat Lite" they screw up and lose elections. Either they can rediscover and embrace conservatism like they did with Reagen's leadership or they can go away.
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SM you're just plain wrong and I can use you're hero Reagan as an example. One of the things that concerned many voters in 1980 was that Reagan was to much the ideologue and Reagan's response was to say "Good people can disagree.". Reagan constantly reached out to work with those that did not agree with him. He had lunch once a month with the Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O'Neal, he constantly reached out across the aisle to work with Democrats in congress and he never excluded a fellow Republican because they weren't "ideologically pure". In fact Reagan preached against that and was so inclusive that he coined the 11th commandment for Republicans. "Though shall not speak ill of another Republican.". Reagan did not practice the politics of division as he new it was a losing strategy nor in the best interest of the nation.

Now the Republican party made substantial gains during Reagan's years and subsequently so your argument does not hold water in light of the facts. Particularly when you consider center right moderates, like myself, voted for him in droves. Please explain to me if what you're saying is true why we would do that and abandon the Bush led reactionaries in droves? That's a contradiction in your argument and when ever that happens you need to examine the premises your argument is based on cause one of them is wrong.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Glittering generalities are not hyperbole (the definitions are different).
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hyperbole

def. exaggeration

Synonyms: amplification, big talk, coloring, distortion, embellishment, embroidering, enlargement, hype, laying it on thick, magnification, metaphor, mountain out of molehill, overstatement, tall talk
 
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