Obama will observe Confederate Memorial

maineman said:
Irish peasants and Jews were never considered property in America.
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So what the fuck is your point? That only those who's ancestors were oppressed in America have the right to condemn people who had absolutely nothing to do with it?

The point is, nearly EVERY race of people have a story of some kind of persecution and discrimination. What happened in 1860s America is NOT my fault, I wasn't here, didn't have a damn thing to say about it or to do with it. Yet, every time some idiot yahoo Northerner opens his mouth, me and my state are being criticized and condemned! I can just about bet you that whoever the hell you are, whatever the hell your background, your people probably either oppressed someone else, or were oppressed (or both) at some time in history. We can't lay the blame off on generations of today, as if they are responsible for what their ancestors did. What happened happened... it's not MY fault, it's not the State of Alabama's fault, it's just what happened in the past.
 
ib1yysguy said:
Not to mention there's no archeological evidence that jews were ever enslaved by the Egyptians.
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Yes, of course you are right.... Jews have never been persecuted by anyone at any time in history! They are the most UN-persecuted and UN-oppressed people on the planet.... in fact, they are behind most of the persecution and oppression because they are greedy rich Jews. Is that the idiotic point you wanted to make?

How about staying away from the adult conversations here, moron?
 
Dixie said:
Yes, of course you are right.... Jews have never been persecuted by anyone at any time in history! They are the most UN-persecuted and UN-oppressed people on the planet.... in fact, they are behind most of the persecution and oppression because they are greedy rich Jews. Is that the idiotic point you wanted to make?

How about staying away from the adult conversations here, moron?
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And you wonder why people call you dishonest.
 
ib1yysguy said:
And you wonder why people call you dishonest.
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People don't call me dishonest. Only half-brain little retarded nitwits who can't think of anything better to say, call me dishonest. My problem is, I am probably TOO honest! Your problem is, honesty doesn't comport with your myths, lies, and distortions.
 
ib1yysguy said:
It would have been such a great "fuck you" to the South. It's a shame he missed the opportunity this year.
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Obama is a pussy .. but he has no connection or empathy for the struggles of civil rights in this country .. which is why he's the perfect foil for corporations and Wall Street.

Smoke and mirrors.
 
Dixie said:
BAC, you can quote Billie Holiday and pretend I am something I'm not, you can get angry and upset and blame slavery on the South until the day you die, and guess what... it won't change the fact that America condoned slavery for a century before the Civil War. It won't take away the fact that we had slavery here, or that people were lynched. I wasn't here then, everyone who participated in lynchings and advocated to keep slavery is dead, and they have been dead a long time. Being angry and vitriolic at me because of something dead men did over 100 years ago, is not very productive or useful.

Walter E. Williams (I love him) is a black economics professor at George Mason, made an interesting point about the history of slavery. He argues, black people of today should be grateful for slavery! After all, if it weren't for the institution of slavery, you would all likely be running around Africa in a grass skirt, trying to trap your next meal. It is because of slavery, your ancestors, as difficult as their circumstances were, came to America and that you were born in America. Yes, they were treated severely, so were Irish peasants and Jews... lots of people have had an oppressive past. But you're not doing too badly, are you? I mean, isn't living in America better than running around the jungle half naked?
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First, save the Walter Williams quotes for knuckledraggers and house negros.

Nobody gives a fuck what Williams has to say .. most certainly not I.

.. and here's where all semblance of civility ends motherfucker. As many as 20million bodies lay along the Middle Passage .. they were the lucky ones as they did not have to endure the horror of the Americans south and the crimes and evil of racist motherfuckers like you. Children and babies who died along the routes did not have to endure rape from racist motherfuckers just like you.

Go crawl back under the rock you came from motherfucker.
 
Dixie said:
Actually, the Declaration of Independence establishes the argument that you are compelled to take up arms to defend your constitutional rights, even against the central government itself. This was largely the reason for the 2nd Amendment, to encourage well-regulated militias for just such a purpose, should it arise.

As previously stated, there were two perspectives, and the victors perspective is often the one which prevails. Confederate soldiers were just young boys who lived in states which joined the CSA, they didn't have a choice in the matter, did they?

From the perspective of the South, the US Government was trying to do something against their constitutional rights and the law of the land, according to the Supreme Court. They did have a legitimate argument in principle, and they went to war over it.

A "traitor" is a person who betrays his country. Southerners were standing up for their country and their rights. They weren't betraying the US, the US had betrayed them! The US established the laws and the rules, condoned the institution of slavery, and southern citizens who grew cotton, took advantage of the law and rules as set forth by the US. Then it appeared the US would arbitrarily change the rules and laws, and confiscate personal property without compensation, completely in violation of the Constitutional rights of those who owned the property. Taking up arms to defend your Constitutional rights, is not treasonous. In fact, the Constitution advocates it.
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Its all a matter of perspective, but the fact remains, the United States of America won the revolution by beating back the insurgents.
 
Yurt said:
lmao...so jarod now believes that burning a flag indicates you are a traitor to your nation
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Ive always felt that burning a flag indicates you are against your nation, still dont belive it should be illegal.
 
Dixie said:
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Walter E. Williams (I love him) is a black economics professor at George Mason, made an interesting point about the history of slavery. He argues, black people of today should be grateful for slavery! After all, if it weren't for the institution of slavery, you would all likely be running around Africa in a grass skirt, trying to trap your next meal. It is because of slavery, your ancestors, as difficult as their circumstances were, came to America and that you were born in America. Yes, they were treated severely, so were Irish peasants and Jews... lots of people have had an oppressive past. But you're not doing too badly, are you? I mean, isn't living in America better than running around the jungle half naked?
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I can't believe you wrote or quoted something like this. Are you tone-deaf to the bigotry of those statements? :mad: :mad:
 
christiefan915 said:
True enough, I was pretty angry when reagan laid the wreath at Bitburg and he wasn't Jewish.
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I'm not jewish and I thought Reagan's act at Bitburg was beyond the pale and disgusting.

History will write that the first African-American president walked on the graves of slaves .. just days after he rejected the Conference on Racism.

Pride that Obama is the first black president .. not me my wise sister. These are moments of shame, not pride.

The pride I maintain is in not being hyponotized by the hype and symbolism, being smart enough to see this coming, and not voting for Barack Obama.
 
Dixie said:
BAC, you can quote Billie Holiday and pretend I am something I'm not, you can get angry and upset and blame slavery on the South until the day you die, and guess what... it won't change the fact that America condoned slavery for a century before the Civil War. It won't take away the fact that we had slavery here, or that people were lynched. I wasn't here then, everyone who participated in lynchings and advocated to keep slavery is dead, and they have been dead a long time. Being angry and vitriolic at me because of something dead men did over 100 years ago, is not very productive or useful.

Walter E. Williams (I love him) is a black economics professor at George Mason, made an interesting point about the history of slavery. He argues, black people of today should be grateful for slavery! After all, if it weren't for the institution of slavery, you would all likely be running around Africa in a grass skirt, trying to trap your next meal. It is because of slavery, your ancestors, as difficult as their circumstances were, came to America and that you were born in America. Yes, they were treated severely, so were Irish peasants and Jews... lots of people have had an oppressive past. But you're not doing too badly, are you? I mean, isn't living in America better than running around the jungle half naked?
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Oh my God. I had to read this three times.
 
blackascoal said:
First, save the Walter Williams quotes for knuckledraggers and house negros.

Nobody gives a fuck what Williams has to say .. most certainly not I.

.. and here's where all semblance of civility ends motherfucker. As many as 20million bodies lay along the Middle Passage .. they were the lucky ones as they did not have to endure the horror of the Americans south and the crimes and evil of racist motherfuckers like you. Children and babies who died along the routes did not have to endure rape from racist motherfuckers just like you.

Go crawl back under the rock you came from motherfucker.
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BAC, I think that when speaking on issues such as this, it is perfectly acceptable to use the term as Malcom used it. I think that by saying "house negro" you deflect the real betrayal that is committed by men such as Williams. I think that the whole reason Malcom used the term was to highlight EXACTLY what whites thought of blacks that did all they could not to upset the apple cart. It is not so much that Malcom sees them as that, but he sees them for what whites see them for.
 
Socrtease said:
BAC, I think that when speaking on issues such as this, it is perfectly acceptable to use the term as Malcom used it. I think that by saying "house negro" you deflect the real betrayal that is committed by men such as Williams. I think that the whole reason Malcom used the term was to highlight EXACTLY what whites thought of blacks that did all they could not to upset the apple cart. It is not so much that Malcom sees them as that, but he sees them for what whites see them for.
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That is very wise and I will consider that thought carefully before using the term with Williams again.

You are right on the money about how Malcolm considered the term.

thanks
 
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