Today's GOP is not your father's GOP

Bfgrn

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The United States of America was founded on Liberal principals...

I continue to hear over and over the argument from the right that today's Liberals have changed; they no longer share the Liberal ideals of our founding fathers...WRONG...

And...I continue to hear over and over the argument from the right that the Republican Party HASN'T changed..WRONG...AGAIN...

Today's GOP was hijacked by the far right AND the far left. Says who? Goldwater conservatives, libertarians and even paleoconservatives...

The neoconservatives that brought us a 3 trillion dollar preemptive war of ideology came from the far LEFT...yet they feel right at home with the far right theocrats...

There's an old saying..."Robins and Blue Jays don't nest together"

HERE is what the Republican Party USED to stand for...

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Excerpt from:
Republican Party Platform of 1956
August 20, 1956


Our Government was created by the people for all the people, and it must serve no less a purpose.

The Republican Party was formed 100 years ago to preserve the Nation's devotion to these ideals.

On its Centennial, the Republican Party again calls to the minds of all Americans the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."

Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative.

"We shall ever build anew, that our children and their children, without distinction because of race, creed or color, may know the blessings of our free land.

We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs-expansion of social security-broadened coverage in unemployment insurance - improved housing- and better health protection for all our people. We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people.

Labor
"Under the Republican Administration, as our country has prospered, so have its people. This is as it should be, for as President Eisenhower said: "Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country...they are America."

The Eisenhower Administration has brought to our people the highest employment, the highest wages and the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any nation. Today there are nearly 67 million men and women at work in the United States, 4 million more than in 1952. Wages have increased substantially over the past 3 1/2 years; but, more important, the American wage earner today can buy more than ever before for himself and his family because his pay check has not been eaten away by rising taxes and soaring prices.

The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further. The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

In addition, the Eisenhower Administration has enforced more vigorously and effectively than ever before, the laws which protect the working standards of our people.

Workers have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform. All workers have gained and unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 millions.

Furthermore, the process of free collective bargaining has been strengthened by the insistence of this Administration that labor and management settle their differences at the bargaining table without the intervention of the Government. This policy has brought to our country an unprecedented period of labor-management peace and understanding...

Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years, to raise the continuing consideration of these problems for the first time to the highest council of Government, the President's Cabinet.... We have supported the distribution of free vaccine to protect millions of children against dreaded polio.

Republican leadership has enlarged Federal assistance for construction of hospitals, emphasizing low-cost care of chronic diseases and the special problems of older persons, and increased Federal aid for medical care of the needy.

We have asked the largest increase in research funds ever sought in one year to intensify attacks on cancer, mental illness, heart disease and other dread diseases."

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838


"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater (R) Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement

"We're going to crush labor as a political entity"
Grover Norquist - Republican economic guru
 
yeah, the founding fathers were just like today's liberals....

someone needs to actually read and learn history...

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hey yurt...if you don't think there is a battle going on for the soul of the republican party, then you are even more braindead than I had imagined. YOur party needs to decide whether it will be the party of Colin Powell with his enormous approval ratings with independents and moderates, or will it be the party of Dck(less) CHeney and Rush Limbaugh who successfully galvanize your ever shrinking "base" and no one else. It would seem that you fall with the latter... good for you. I will love looking at you through a telescope as you languish in the wilderness. have fun being a member of an irrelevant political party.... you'll get to know what it felt like to be a whig!
 
maineman;444540]hey yurt...if you don't think there is a battle going on for the soul of the republican party, then you are even more braindead than I had imagined.

wow, the republican party has a soul? i thought you were a minister.....


YOur party needs to decide whether it will be the party of Colin Powell with his enormous approval ratings with independents and moderates, or will it be the party of Dck(less) CHeney and Rush Limbaugh who successfully galvanize your ever shrinking "base" and no one else. It would seem that you fall with the latter... good for you. I will love looking at you through a telescope as you languish in the wilderness. have fun being a member of an irrelevant political party.... you'll get to know what it felt like to be a whig!

advice from you is like taking dung from a dung beetle. repubs were once proclaiming the dem party dead as you are now....(yawn)....you're such a hack maineman, it would be cute if you didn't so passionately and voraciously defend the dems and attack the repubs regardless of the facts.
 
wow, the republican party has a soul? i thought you were a minister.....




advice from you is like taking dung from a dung beetle. repubs were once proclaiming the dem party dead as you are now....(yawn)....you're such a hack maineman, it would be cute if you didn't so passionately and voraciously defend the dems and attack the repubs regardless of the facts.

I am not proclaiming the republican party dead. It still has statesmen like Colim Powell who can breathe life into it. I am proclaiming the narrowly focused republican party that attracts losers like YOU to be dead as a national political force.... thank God.
 
I am not proclaiming the republican party dead. It still has statesmen like Colim Powell who can breathe life into it. I am proclaiming the narrowly focused republican party that attracts losers like YOU to be dead as a national political force.... thank God.

lmao.....

i can just imagine if a repub were to tell YOU what kind of democrat will help your party.....

seriously, do you not see what a hack you are? i don't stand up every sunday in front of a pulpit and proclaim that i know the word of god and that what i say to those in front of me....is the word of god. you do. think about that, just for one second. and then think about others reading your words on the internet, knowing that you are a UCC minister.....think about it and think about what you are doing to the christian faith
 
lmao.....

i can just imagine if a repub were to tell YOU what kind of democrat will help your party.....

seriously, do you not see what a hack you are? i don't stand up every sunday in front of a pulpit and proclaim that i know the word of god and that what i say to those in front of me....is the word of god. you do. think about that, just for one second. and then think about others reading your words on the internet, knowing that you are a UCC minister.....think about it and think about what you are doing to the christian faith

you have read my sermons... you know what I say to my congregation. quit lying.
 
you have read my sermons... you know what I say to my congregation. quit lying.

no lie at all....

think about that, just for one second. and then think about others reading your words on the internet, knowing that you are a UCC minister.....think about it and think about what you are doing to the christian faith

or are you saying only your online sermons count as "words on the internet"?
 
no lie at all....



or are you saying only your online sermons count as "words on the internet"?

you said:

"i don't stand up every sunday in front of a pulpit and proclaim that i know the word of god and that what i say to those in front of me....is the word of god. you do."

THAT is a lie, and you know it....counselor.
 
The ideals that the founding fathers faught for were well over a century old, from Natural Rights to Real Whig Ideology, which tends to show them as conservatives, as they were fighting for a way of life (such as their little republics) which had long been established.

The "liberals" among the generation would be those that believed in the ideals of the French Revolution, such as Paine and Jefferson. It is from that incident in which liberalism and conservatism as we knew it for a long time emerged. Neoliberalism and Neoconservatism are not, as they are obviously new age ideas.
 
you said:

"i don't stand up every sunday in front of a pulpit and proclaim that i know the word of god and that what i say to those in front of me....is the word of god. you do."

THAT is a lie, and you know it....counselor.

oh, my bad, i thought you preached the word of god....
 
don't make the mistake of putting words in my mouth, counselor.

my bad, i thought that you were a minister of the UCC church.....

so you don't speak about the word of god.....well why didn't you say so before minister? you told everyone on this board that you are a minister for the august congregation where you live....are you scared now...
 
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