Family of Ashli Babbitt sues to get name of cop who killed their daughter on Jan 6

[Althea]

Of course she is not 100% through the window. Maybe 90% if you see it at another angle. You can clearly see that the backpack was slightly visible as she entered the window.

I think they believe that she was just going to perch there and take in the sights.

 

[Althea]

Depends on the state. In Arizona the cops would tell you "Nice grouping!" In Illinois or New York you're probably looking at going to prison.

Nope. Castle Doctrine is pretty clear.

 

[Althea]

Especially the one in Benghazi...

There was no embassy in Benghazi.

 

[AProudLefty]

I think they believe that she was just going to perch there and take in the sights.

She had her arms outstretched and hands pressed against the frame.

 

[Althea]

Althea, I posted videos. So you can take that off the table. There was one video on youtube that I could not sign in to see. I do not think the family will lose. They should not. The guy has been identified anyway. His bracelet gave him away.

Then surely you saw members of Congress right down the hallway that she attempted to access?

 

[Sailor]

OK. If she wasn't shot, she planned to perch on the window frame for a few hours?

No one knows what she would have done. Even if she got through the other side. She was not armed.

 

[Althea]

Just saying it is not always as cut an dry as everyone thinks. You know, intent, warning, etc. My theory is just drag his ass inside the house and it is easier to prove.

Actually, that's the advice many cops give. You cannot chase anyone and shoot them. They must be found in your house, which would be pretty easy if they breach a window.

 

[Sailor]

Then surely you saw members of Congress right down the hallway that she attempted to access?

So what? There were also Capitol Police in front of those windows on the other side.

 

[AProudLefty]

No one knows what she would have done. Even if she got through the other side. She was not armed.

How would they supposed to know? She had a big backpack.

 

[Althea]

No one knows what she would have done. Even if she got through the other side. She was not armed.

Agree. But if you pretend to be neutral, and view the videos from inside the chamber, you'll have to admit that nobody could tell what the mob had in mind. They were shouting about killing Pence, and looking for Pelosi. The sound of them crashing the doors was pretty moving.

No jury in the world would convict a cop of murder for shooting at Babbitt, given the evidence that directly preceded the event.

 

[Sailor]

LEO needs to give no such warning. She was warned by fellow criminals. She didn't care. She thought she was a hero

Of course they do. They have to identify themselves and give warning. That is the use of force policy.

 

[Althea]

How would they supposed to know? She had a big backpack.

Not only that, she was the first of dozens that would have been in the hallway within seconds. That officer saved many lives.

 

[Althea]

Of course they do. They have to identify themselves and give warning. That is the use of force policy.

Those policies do NOT apply in this case.

 

[Sailor]

Agree. But if you pretend to be neutral, and view the videos from inside the chamber, you'll have to admit that nobody could tell what the mob had in mind. They were shouting about killing Pence, and looking for Pelosi. The sound of them crashing the doors was pretty moving.

No jury in the world would convict a cop of murder for shooting at Babbitt, given the evidence that directly preceded the event.

I think they would charge him.

 

[AProudLefty]

Not only that, she was the first of dozens that would have been in the hallway within seconds. That officer saved many lives.

Oh yeah. I noticed that a few people had their hands up and nodded in recognition of a real threat.

 

[Althea]

She had her arms outstretched and hands pressed against the frame.

Better for 'perching' dontchaknow?

 

[Sailor]

Those policies do NOT apply in this case.

Of course they do. That is the Capitol Police. Their use of force policies are no different than any other LE Agency federal, state or local.

 

[Althea]

I think they would charge him.

In a Qanon court perhaps. They didn't even charge the cop that shot that guy in the back as he seemed to be trying to get something from his car.

 

[Althea]

Of course they do. That is the Capitol Police. Their use of force policies are no different than any other LE Agency federal, state or local.

Not in this case. The entire Capitol was under siege. How many cops were ignored and then attacked just before Babbitt breached that window? Do you believe that anyone was confused about who the cops were? Do you believe that they had any intention of standing down because some cop identified him/herself?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There was no embassy in Benghazi.

You for not getting the joke.