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By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: June 14, 2009

The debate over economic policy has taken a predictable yet ominous turn: the crisis seems to be easing, and a chorus of critics is already demanding that the Federal Reserve and the Obama administration abandon their rescue efforts. For those who know their history, it’s déjà vu all over again — literally.


For this is the third time in history that a major economy has found itself in a liquidity trap, a situation in which interest-rate cuts, the conventional way to perk up the economy, have reached their limit. When this happens, unconventional measures are the only way to fight recession.

Yet such unconventional measures make the conventionally minded uncomfortable, and they keep pushing for a return to normalcy. In previous liquidity-trap episodes, policy makers gave in to these pressures far too soon, plunging the economy back into crisis. And if the critics have their way, we’ll do the same thing this time.

The first example of policy in a liquidity trap comes from the 1930s. The U.S. economy grew rapidly from 1933 to 1937, helped along by New Deal policies. America, however, remained well short of full employment.

Yet policy makers stopped worrying about depression and started worrying about inflation. The Federal Reserve tightened monetary policy, while F.D.R. tried to balance the federal budget. Sure enough, the economy slumped again, and full recovery had to wait for World War II.

The second example is Japan in the 1990s. After slumping early in the decade, Japan experienced a partial recovery, with the economy growing almost 3 percent in 1996. Policy makers responded by shifting their focus to the budget deficit, raising taxes and cutting spending. Japan proceeded to slide back into recession.

And here we go again.

On one side, the inflation worriers are harassing the Fed. The latest example: Arthur Laffer, he of the curve, warns that the Fed’s policies will cause devastating inflation. He recommends, among other things, possibly raising banks’ reserve requirements, which happens to be exactly what the Fed did in 1936 and 1937 — a move that none other than Milton Friedman condemned as helping to strangle economic recovery.

Meanwhile, there are demands from several directions that President Obama’s fiscal stimulus plan be canceled.

Some, especially in Europe, argue that stimulus isn’t needed, because the economy is already turning around.

Others claim that government borrowing is driving up interest rates, and that this will derail recovery.

And Republicans, providing a bit of comic relief, are saying that the stimulus has failed, because the enabling legislation was passed four months ago — wow, four whole months! — yet unemployment is still rising. This suggests an interesting comparison with the economic record of Ronald Reagan, whose 1981 tax cut was followed by no less than 16 months of rising unemployment.

O.K., time for some reality checks.

First of all, while stock markets have been celebrating the economy’s “green shoots,” the fact is that unemployment is very high and still rising. That is, we’re not even experiencing the kind of growth that led to the big mistakes of 1937 and 1997. It’s way too soon to declare victory.

What about the claim that the Fed is risking inflation? It isn’t. Mr. Laffer seems panicked by a rapid rise in the monetary base, the sum of currency in circulation and the reserves of banks. But a rising monetary base isn’t inflationary when you’re in a liquidity trap. America’s monetary base doubled between 1929 and 1939; prices fell 19 percent. Japan’s monetary base rose 85 percent between 1997 and 2003; deflation continued apace.

Well then, what about all that government borrowing? All it’s doing is offsetting a plunge in private borrowing — total borrowing is down, not up. Indeed, if the government weren’t running a big deficit right now, the economy would probably be well on its way to a full-fledged depression.

Oh, and investors’ growing confidence that we’ll manage to avoid a full-fledged depression — not the pressure of government borrowing — explains the recent rise in long-term interest rates. These rates, by the way, are still low by historical standards. They’re just not as low as they were at the peak of the panic, earlier this year.

To sum up: A few months ago the U.S. economy was in danger of falling into depression. Aggressive monetary policy and deficit spending have, for the time being, averted that danger. And suddenly critics are demanding that we call the whole thing off, and revert to business as usual.

Those demands should be ignored. It’s much too soon to give up on policies that have, at most, pulled us a few inches back from the edge of the abyss.
 
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Update: Aha! From the Roper Center (subscription req.):

Gallup Poll [December, 1935]

Do you think it necessary at this time to balance the budget and start reducing the national debt?

70% Yes
30 No

Gallup Poll [May, 1936]

Are the acts of the present Administration helping or hindering recovery?

55% Helping
45 Hindering

Gallup Poll (AIPO) [November, 1936]

DO YOU THINK IT NECESSARY FOR THE NEW ADMINISTRATION TO BALANCE THE BUDGET?

65% YES
28 NO
7 NO ANSWER
 
Printing money is not the solution to every problem. I know the statists you worship teach you it is the way. But they are wrong.
 
Printing money is not the solution to every problem. I know the statists you worship teach you it is the way. But they are wrong.

AssHat, let's have a thought experiment. Let's say that you crashed your car, and if you don't have one you won't be able to get to work. So you go to the bank and you get a loan. Is this evil? Was the money printed out of nowhere? Of course not. That's absurd. It's the same thing when the government borrows. The money isn't printed and sent to the government - that line of thought makes no sense whatsoever, and it's confusing how it got into your head. It's given to them by people who buy bonds.

Not even the money that is printed goes to the government - it's used to shore up banks ability to provide for fractional reserve lending. How exactly did you arrive at the line of thought that the government is printing money to pay for the stimulus? That's not how the economic system works, and it just makes it clear how little you know about our monetary system.
 
AssHat, let's have a thought experiment. Let's say that you crashed your car, and if you don't have one you won't be able to get to work. So you go to the bank and you get a loan. Is this evil? Was the money printed out of nowhere? Of course not. That's absurd. It's the same thing when the government borrows. The money isn't printed and sent to the government - that line of thought makes no sense whatsoever, and it's confusing how it got into your head. It's given to them by people who buy bonds.

Not even the money that is printed goes to the government - it's used to shore up banks ability to provide for fractional reserve lending. How exactly did you arrive at the line of thought that the government is printing money to pay for the stimulus? That's not how the economic system works, and it just makes it clear how little you know about our monetary system.


It's basically how it works. you don't understand fiat currency, our current monetary system.
 
Yes, Keynsian economics fail to control the economy. You are right for once. Maybe even watermark can learn from the past.

One part of Keynesian economics, the Phillips curve, was disproven in the 70's. And it was not even proposed by Keynes. The rest has been thoroughly proven over a century, while the great depression and the great recession have disproven your economic theories. It's like a cycle. Every fifty or so years, people get comfortable with the prosperity Keynesianism has provided them with and ignore Keynesian economics. Then, the economic catastrophe that neoclassicism caused happens again, and people come back, and realize their mistake for the next few decades, until another great forgetting begins.
 
One part of Keynesian economics, the Phillips curve, was disproven in the 70's. And it was not even proposed by Keynes. The rest has been thoroughly proven over a century, while the great depression and the great recession have disproven your economic theories. It's like a cycle. Every fifty or so years, people get comfortable with the prosperity Keynesianism has provided them with and ignore Keynesian economics. Then, the economic catastrophe that neoclassicism caused happens again, and people come back, and realize their mistake for the next few decades, until another great forgetting begins.
It's a boom and bust system, every once in a while numerous boom/bust bubbles hit close together and we find ourselves where we are today. We are again building the same system that has put us through this repeatedly.

When a person does something over and over again and expects a different result, we call them an idiot, when the government does it, high school kids who just took their first economics class cheer.
 
It's a boom and bust system

No it's not. In fact, the neoclassical schools are usually identified as producing big booms and busts. It happened all the way throughout the 19th centuries - massive booms and long, fruitless busts. Austrians just arrived at the Keynesian boom/bust theory through guesswork, although in actuality it is REALLY an argument against THEIR theory, and it has no support even amongst the conservative schools of real economics.
 
"China is implying to the US, more or less, that it should adopt a more pragmatic and responsible attitude to maintain the stability of the dollar," He Maochun, a political scientist at Tsinghua University, told the Global Times.

According to US Treasury data issued Monday, Beijing owned 763.5 billion dollars in US securities in April, down from 767.9 billion dollars in March.

It was the first month since June 2008 that Beijing failed to purchase more US T-bills.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.6cc88b76aff9be3f90f62526a3107ec9.31&show_article=1
 
No it's not. In fact, the neoclassical schools are usually identified as producing big booms and busts. It happened all the way throughout the 19th centuries - massive booms and long, fruitless busts. Austrians just arrived at the Keynesian boom/bust theory through guesswork, although in actuality it is REALLY an argument against THEIR theory, and it has no support even amongst the conservative schools of real economics.

So you're not aware of current events then?
 
Conservatives have a school of real economics?
Amazing, they must have all flunked out.

Monetarists, which, I am surprised to say, I would side with long before I'd side with the Austrians. One of Krugman's primary tactics is to cite arguments from the Monetarists, which exposes how kooky pop-economists (like Damo cites) have gotten.
 
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