Another proof Biden administration has succumb to the radical Left

[T. A. Gardner]

That would be an interesting thread. I would ask in that thread if there is going to be one if Germany led in rocket technology for example.

They did to an extent. They certainly did in terms of construction of a large, liquid fueled, ballistic missile (eg., the V-2 / A-4). This was primarily because other nations either terminated such work because of the war (the Soviet Union and UK) or didn't see any value in building such a weapon--at least until nuclear weapons showed up (the US). In 1939, the US and Soviet Union were ahead or on par with the Germans in liquid fuel rocket development. They just didn't see a lot of value in putting a priority on it once the war started.

 

[AProudLefty]

Lol, Nazi Germans did lead in tech. It's no lie.
V2 rockets, turbo jets, stealth aircraft prototypes, panther tanks, the Sturmgewr, Konrad Zuses computer, among others.

Although a lot of it is due to Nazis increasing reeearch & development investments by the government.

Don't forget the Enigma. That shit was truly marvelous.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Lol, Nazi Germans did lead in tech. It's no lie.
V2 rockets, turbo jets, stealth aircraft prototypes, panther tanks, the Sturmgewr, Konrad Zuses computer, among others.

Although a lot of it is due to Nazis increasing reeearch & development investments by the government.

It's a lie. The US and Britain had turbojets and theirs were actually better. Stealth aircraft? Hardly. If you are talking about the Horten brothers and the Gotha Go 229 flying wing, the US had those too.

The Panther tank was nothing special.
Sturmgewehr? The SG 43 and 44 were not some radical technological breakthrough.

The M2 carbine fills much the same role. Intermediate cartridge, 30 round magazine, select fire semi-auto or full auto. Just because it doesn't look like and "assault rifle" doesn't mean it's not the equivalent because it is.

The US and Britain were streets ahead of Germany in terms of electro-mechanical computing devices. As one example, the fire control system in the B-29 was a tour de force of technological brilliance. The Germans had nothing that came close.

They weren't ahead in most other missile technology either. In terms of a surface to air missile, by the end of the war the most advanced project in that area was by the US Navy dubbed Bumblebee.
AAM's? Both Britain and the US were well ahead of Germany.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The same sort of people that populate the radical Right only in far greater numbers and desirous of totalitarian, Communist, hardline Socialist, Maoist, and other oppressive and controlling societies. On the radical Right you get true anarchists, separatists, and groups like sovereign citizens who act largely independently of one and other.

I seriously doubt that either far LW or far RW are very numerous OR much of a threat. RW media, however, doesn't want you to believe that. You guys, many of you, believe that almost everyone on the left is a closet commie. To be far, some LW media does the same and tries to convince us that every (R) voter is a not-very-secret fascist.

 

[BidenPresident]

I seriously doubt that either far LW or far RW are very numerous OR much of a threat. RW media, however, doesn't want you to believe that. You guys, many of you, believe that almost everyone on the left is a closet commie. To be far, some LW media does the same and tries to convince us that every (R) voter is a not-very-secret fascist.

Anyone talking about Maoism is lost in space....

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I seriously doubt that either far LW or far RW are very numerous OR much of a threat. RW media, however, doesn't want you to believe that. You guys, many of you, believe that almost everyone on the left is a closet commie. To be far, some LW media does the same and tries to convince us that every (R) voter is a not-very-secret fascist.

I don't think everyone on the Left is a closet commie or something. The Left is more diverse than that.

I see it this way. On the radical Right you have it dominated almost entirely by dispossessed males. They are violent--mostly to each other--and you couldn't get 50 of them in a room without a fight breaking out. Their views are knuckleheaded and they tend to be loners.

On the radical Left it is more diverse. It covers a large segment of society of people who don't fit in or won't fit in. Like the radicals on the Right they think the world is screwing them. The difference is on the radical Right they respond by trying to get out of and away from society--leave me alone or else!. On the radical Left they want society to bend to their will--you will accommodate me or else! The radical Left tends to group together along their political and economic lines and views. They network far better.

When it comes to doing stuff, the radical right usually acts individually or in very small numbers but is incredibly violent and dangerous for a moment. On the radical Left, they act as a group in large numbers and their violence is low grade, more persistent, and widespread. So, someone on the radical Right will blow up a building, or mass shoot and kill numbers of people then be killed or arrested. On the radical Left a mob of hundreds or thousands trashes the entire downtown of some city for days on end before calm is restored. Dozens or more are injured and property damage runs into the millions. But it isn't as sudden and spectacular as radical Right violence tends to be.

The radical Right are outsiders who pretty much want to be left alone and act out when they perceive that an outside threat is pressing them. The radical Left are outsiders who want to be accepted as the norm and act out persistently and continuously to gain control over society to force their views on it.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

Donald Trump, whatever you or I think of him was not a domestic terrorist. I understand your hatred of the man, but it doesn't give you the right to make up your own facts out of thin air.

He is the national cheerleader of hatred. He incited a deadly insurrection. I would opine that makes him domestic terrorist number one.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I don't think everyone on the Left is a closet commie or something. The Left is more diverse than that.

I see it this way. On the radical Right you have it dominated almost entirely by dispossessed males. They are violent--mostly to each other--and you couldn't get 50 of them in a room without a fight breaking out. Their views are knuckleheaded and they tend to be loners.

On the radical Left it is more diverse. It covers a large segment of society of people who don't fit in or won't fit in. Like the radicals on the Right they think the world is screwing them. The difference is on the radical Right they respond by trying to get out of and away from society--leave me alone or else!. On the radical Left they want society to bend to their will--you will accommodate me or else! The radical Left tends to group together along their political and economic lines and views. They network far better.

When it comes to doing stuff, the radical right usually acts individually or in very small numbers but is incredibly violent and dangerous for a moment. On the radical Left, they act as a group in large numbers and their violence is low grade, more persistent, and widespread. So, someone on the radical Right will blow up a building, or mass shoot and kill numbers of people then be killed or arrested. On the radical Left a mob of hundreds or thousands trashes the entire downtown of some city for days on end before calm is restored. Dozens or more are injured and property damage runs into the millions. But it isn't as sudden and spectacular as radical Right violence tends to be.

The radical Right are outsiders who pretty much want to be left alone and act out when they perceive that an outside threat is pressing them. The radical Left are outsiders who want to be accepted as the norm and act out persistently and continuously to gain control over society to force their views on it.

Some of your descriptions ring true, but not the overall view of the so-called "radical left." You are, of course, throwing groups like Occupy Wall Street from days gone by, and BLM, and conflating them. OWS was definitely far left, and some were radical, but mainly it was disenchanted worker bees sick of income inequality in this country, and protested it in a mostly peaceful fashion. BLM is disenchanted with the disparity in justice and law enforcement in this country. Once again, most of their protests were peaceful and consisted of a diverse group of citizens, not just ppl of color. Again, there was infiltration by violent actors who didn't give a shit about the cause. They were just there because wherever there is a chance for violence, you will find such villains. All the BLM protesters I know personally or through activist groups abhorred them. Yet to hear most RWers talk about the protests, like you they believe that the looting, arson, violence, etc. was part of BLM's strategy.

I don't buy your "just want to be left alone" RW apology either. Yes, some are that way and tend to hole up in rural areas, play with their guns, and fantasize about a civil war. But not all. Witness the armed thugs who invaded Michigan's capitol last year because they didn't like masks and other pandemic measures. These same thugs plotted later to kidnap (and kill probably) the governor. Thousands of these thugs invaded our national Capitol last January because they didn't like the election results; hundreds of thousands more support their efforts to overthrow the govt. by downplaying the insurrection, and by promoting The Big Lie. One reason social media has been vigilant about kicking these clowns out is because they are organized and they were using their platforms to coordinate and promote violence.

Radical RWers, overall, are far more dangerous than radical LWers. We're not in the 60s anymore. LWers suck at convincing mainstream citizens that violence is the answer. RWers excel at it. Which is most dangerous?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Geeko Sportivo,

Many factions to the radical right. Are you sure you are not a part of them?

Take responsibility for your own side to clean it up!

Biden did get a lot of support from the radical left. But he cannot abandon their concerns any more than the concerns of the MILLIONS OF Conservative DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS THAT also are depending on Biden to "Keep it real"!

No other president in history has had such a diverse constituent base, as Biden does in terms of the Conservative/Progressive spectrum, to have to balance his decisions and agenda moving forward. Presidents have to be the president for everyone in the nation- NOT JUST THE PARTY BASE! Biden is the most experienced politician in the field at bringing the two sides together to make deals.

Biden may be working too hard to please everyone among his base. But he is leaving it up to Congress to hash it out. The problem is the Republican side of Congress is just using obstruction tactics for partisan political reasons and refusing to participate!

Can we all just be fair and at least participate in the negotiation phase of these proposals by the Biden Administration? Joe Manchin, the Democrats most trusted Conservative, thinks they can. Is he wrong? Why?

Personally, I feel that the Democrat and Republican Conservatives have good ideas on where to "hold the line" on deficit spending, but Mitch is holding his Republicans back from the negotiations. THAT IS NOT RIGHT!

We must work together to get the Bills right!

And keep this in mind- Nobody gets everything they want, but if we try sometime, we get what we need!

So don't look past the needs of others, just because you don't particularly need the same things others do.

You can't please everyone- But you do have to please the voting and vocal majority. From a president's perspective, that is who elected you!

A lot of Republicans voted for President Biden.

Prominent notables: Cindy McCain, Mitt Romney, John Kasich, Christine Todd Whitman, Meg Whitman, Colin Powell, Chuck Hagel, William Cohen, John Negroponte, Miles Taylor, Michael Hayden, Rick Snyder, and many more.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Hello T. A. Gardner,



He is the national cheerleader of hatred. He incited a deadly insurrection. I would opine that makes him domestic terrorist number one.

 

[BattleofHodow]

It's a lie. The US and Britain had turbojets and theirs were actually better. Stealth aircraft? Hardly. If you are talking about the Horten brothers and the Gotha Go 229 flying wing, the US had those too.

The Panther tank was nothing special.
Sturmgewehr? The SG 43 and 44 were not some radical technological breakthrough.

The M2 carbine fills much the same role. Intermediate cartridge, 30 round magazine, select fire semi-auto or full auto. Just because it doesn't look like and "assault rifle" doesn't mean it's not the equivalent because it is.

The US and Britain were streets ahead of Germany in terms of electro-mechanical computing devices. As one example, the fire control system in the B-29 was a tour de force of technological brilliance. The Germans had nothing that came close.

They weren't ahead in most other missile technology either. In terms of a surface to air missile, by the end of the war the most advanced project in that area was by the US Navy dubbed Bumblebee.
AAM's? Both Britain and the US were well ahead of Germany.

Nazis beat others in turbo jet flight.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_178

The Sturmgewehr was copied by Soviets into AK47s.

Yes, the Horten Ho 229 waa stealth like.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

I still am since I do have one. It's in military history, since I've long specialized in that. I'm currently working on a book covering advanced technology development in the military from 1935 to 1955. One of my pet peeves is most people believe the Nazis / Germany led the world in most advanced technologies during that period (to 1945) when that was not the case at all. 1955 was chosen as the cutoff as that's about the year WW 2 technological developments peaked out and afterwards the rate of new invention started to slow significantly.

Something of interest during that time period:

The US Congress actually contemplated dissolving the US Navy after WWII. They figured that since there were no more large enemies, that paying for a US Navy would be a waste of money. They figured an Air Force and an Army would be enough, since air superiority proved to be a greater consideration than great ships. And with the advent of greater range of long distance aircraft, the foolish thinking was that even aircraft carriers would be obsolete.

They did completely overlook the threat of nuclear submarines...

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Hello Geeko Sportivo,



A lot of Republicans voted for President Biden.

Prominent notables: Cindy McCain, Mitt Romney, John Kasich, Christine Todd Whitman, Meg Whitman, Colin Powell, Chuck Hagel, William Cohen, John Negroponte, Miles Taylor, Michael Hayden, Rick Snyder, and many more.

Yes, many millions perhaps. The election was obviously a referendum on the approval of Donald Trump, as many Republicans picked up house and congressional seats in the same precincts that Biden won in the presidential race, as proof!

Trust me! Democrats do not choose Republican congress people when they vote!

That had to be Republicans voting Republican tickets except for Donald Trump!

There is just no other logical way to explain it!

But, Of Course, we cannot expect TRUMPTARDS to be logical!

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Some of your descriptions ring true, but not the overall view of the so-called "radical left." You are, of course, throwing groups like Occupy Wall Street from days gone by, and BLM, and conflating them. OWS was definitely far left, and some were radical, but mainly it was disenchanted worker bees sick of income inequality in this country, and protested it in a mostly peaceful fashion. BLM is disenchanted with the disparity in justice and law enforcement in this country. Once again, most of their protests were peaceful and consisted of a diverse group of citizens, not just ppl of color. Again, there was infiltration by violent actors who didn't give a shit about the cause. They were just there because wherever there is a chance for violence, you will find such villains. All the BLM protesters I know personally or through activist groups abhorred them. Yet to hear most RWers talk about the protests, like you they believe that the looting, arson, violence, etc. was part of BLM's strategy.

I don't buy your "just want to be left alone" RW apology either. Yes, some are that way and tend to hole up in rural areas, play with their guns, and fantasize about a civil war. But not all. Witness the armed thugs who invaded Michigan's capitol last year because they didn't like masks and other pandemic measures. These same thugs plotted later to kidnap (and kill probably) the governor. Thousands of these thugs invaded our national Capitol last January because they didn't like the election results; hundreds of thousands more support their efforts to overthrow the govt. by downplaying the insurrection, and by promoting The Big Lie. One reason social media has been vigilant about kicking these clowns out is because they are organized and they were using their platforms to coordinate and promote violence.

Radical RWers, overall, are far more dangerous than radical LWers. We're not in the 60s anymore. LWers suck at convincing mainstream citizens that violence is the answer. RWers excel at it. Which is most dangerous?

I'm hinting at groups like:

By Any Means Necessary (BAMN)
Antifa
Anarchist Action Network
Anarchist Black Cross Federation
Crimethinc
Red Black Alliance
Red, Black, Green Alliace
Rukus Society
Solidarity movement
ALF
ELF
Earth First!
PITA
Smash HLS
Deep Green Resistance
The Uncontrollables
Code Pink
New Wave Army
Nightshade
Radicalwomen.org
Women's liberation Front
Stand up, fight back
Ultraviolet
Black Liberation Army
New Black Panthers
Brown Berets
La Raza
MECHha
MSA
various Occupy movements
John Brown Gun Club
Redneck Revolt
Huey P Newton Gun Club
Brothers against cops
Black Nationalists
Red Brigades
and hundreds of other radical Leftist groups that advocate violence...

 

[BidenPresident]

I'm hinting at groups like:

By Any Means Necessary (BAMN)
Antifa
Anarchist Action Network
Anarchist Black Cross Federation
Crimethinc
Red Black Alliance
Red, Black, Green Alliace
Rukus Society
Solidarity movement
ALF
ELF
Earth First!
PITA
Smash HLS
Deep Green Resistance
The Uncontrollables
Code Pink
New Wave Army
Nightshade
Radicalwomen.org
Women's liberation Front
Stand up, fight back
Ultraviolet
Black Liberation Army
New Black Panthers
Brown Berets
La Raza
MECHha
MSA
various Occupy movements
John Brown Gun Club
Redneck Revolt
Huey P Newton Gun Club
Brothers against cops
Black Nationalists
Red Brigades
and hundreds of other radical Leftist groups that advocate violence...

I love how the right wing pretends the January 6 attack on the Capital did not happen. No credibility. None.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Another proof Biden administration has succumb to the radical Left

I warned months before the election that a vote for Biden was a vote for the Regressives, that the DNC claim that he was a moderate was an obvious lie.

So did Trump.

 

[reagansghost]

I'm hinting at groups like:

By Any Means Necessary (BAMN)
Antifa
Anarchist Action Network
Anarchist Black Cross Federation
Crimethinc
Red Black Alliance
Red, Black, Green Alliace
Rukus Society
Solidarity movement
ALF
ELF
Earth First!
PITA
Smash HLS
Deep Green Resistance
The Uncontrollables
Code Pink
New Wave Army
Nightshade
Radicalwomen.org
Women's liberation Front
Stand up, fight back
Ultraviolet
Black Liberation Army
New Black Panthers
Brown Berets
La Raza
MECHha
MSA
various Occupy movements
John Brown Gun Club
Redneck Revolt
Huey P Newton Gun Club
Brothers against cops
Black Nationalists
Red Brigades
and hundreds of other radical Leftist groups that advocate violence...

ok thanks Sgt Copy/Paste

now, google us a list of all the acts of domestic terrorism committed by those groups...just in the last 5 years will do

you do that and I'll compile a list of right wing domestic terrorist attacks that may just fill pages

 

[BidenPresident]

ok thanks Sgt Copy/Paste

now, google us a list of all the acts of domestic terrorism committed by those groups...just in the last 5 years will do

you do that and I'll compile a list of right wing domestic terrorist attacks that may just fill pages

Gardner just copies and pasted crap from right wing blogs.

 

[Micawber]

He is radical left. Alt right fascists don’t have the resolution at that distance

 

[Micawber]

Gardner just copies and pasted crap from right wing blogs.

Why?