Why do we even trade with them?

Yurt said:
obviously still nothing to add to the debate, so you throw meadowmuffins at the board

its not fair or fun to continually pwn idiots, so i'll let dunceler be....
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Should have let sleeping dogs lie.

Why do you keep adding to the humiliation of your already embarassing loss?
 
only insecure losers have to claim themselves the winner because no one else will...:rolleyes:

still have nothing to add, can't answer a simple question relating to this thread, have to consistently ad hom and proclaim yourself a winner so as to distract from the fact you can't address my question regarding the topic of this thread....

yeah, what a winner you are
 
Dixie said:
It is the same kind of human rights issue, I agree... but...

Iran is a different matter altogether. We aren't obligated by our debt to Iran like we are China. In fact, Iran probably owes us a little. We have no reason to continue trade with Iran, what little we have, because we have no obligation of debt to them. The same can be said for Saudi Arabia, except in their case, they have the oil we need to keep our society moving. Unless you want to live in pre-automotive times, or drill for domestic sources to replace their oil, there isn't a practical solution. Because America has become fat and lazy in manufacturing and production, we depend on trade with other countries, like 'em or not... that is just how it works in the real world.



Oh, they will get paid, as long as US Treasury Bonds are worth anything. If they become meaningless paper, we aren't going to be concerned about human rights abuse in China, I assure you of that. Oh, I will laugh on that day too.... because if the whole world has gone insane, I may as well join the crazies... my laugh will be one of those hideous creepy insane man laughs... bwhahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
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We're not obligated by shit. It's funny how stupid the chinese are.
 
A thought comes to mind...

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Familiar saying to anyone?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Nail on the head my man!

It only became acceptable to trade with China when corporate greedheads realized the money to be made from such deals.
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LOL We've been trading with China at least since the mid 19th Century, probably earlier. Ever hear of serving dinner on "fine china"? *shrug*
 
Dixie said:
I never claimed China owned us. You're not speaking or typing this in Chinese, so that is pretty fucking obvious. China does own a pretty large chunk of our ass though, and if we decide to get all cocky and stop trading with China, where is all that money going to come from? Furthermore, with the declining US dollar, where is any future money going to come from if we piss off China? Last I checked, the line of countries willing to risk investment in the US dollar, was fairly short.
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I think we get like 25% of China's total export. we could dump china into a massive depression if we wanted. Its like a cold war they got the nukes and we got the nukes but neither is going to pull the trigger.
 
Southern Man said:
LOL We've been trading with China at least since the mid 19th Century, probably earlier. Ever hear of serving dinner on "fine china"? *shrug*
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the fact remains, we maintained a trade embargo on the PRC for over twenty years... I think the comment from ZG was aimed at the question of why we trade with them in the post Nixon era.
 
Chapdog said:
I think we get like 25% of China's total export. we could dump china into a massive depression if we wanted. Its like a cold war they got the nukes and we got the nukes but neither is going to pull the trigger.
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Where would we get our "stuff" with the shelves in the store mostly bare?

iPhones, computers, clothes, etc?

We no longer make these things.

We have proven to be our own worst enemy.
 
uscitizen said:
Where would we get our "stuff" with the shelves in the store mostly bare?

iPhones, computers, clothes, etc?

We no longer make these things.

We have proven to be our own worst enemy.
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point is its a stale mate. wouldn't happen. China will continue to take our debt and mutter under there breath.
 
Chapdog said:
point is its a stale mate. wouldn't happen. China will continue to take our debt and mutter under there breath.
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And we will continue to buy stuff from them and increase our debt to them.
Thus lowering our standard of living in the long run and raising theirs.
 
Chapdog said:
Going to equalize in a global economy.. no escaping that.
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Not directed at you Chap but please explain to me how our standard of living will decline because more goods are made available to more Americans at cheaper prices?
 
Harvard Econ major i work with says for next 20years as boomers retire will be averaging pretty pathetic stock market returns. Sure ups and downs in cycle but as someone else pointed out past ten years has been a negative stockmarket.
 
cawacko said:
Not directed at you Chap but please explain to me how our standard of living will decline because more goods are made available to more Americans at cheaper prices?
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Not Chap but it is simple. Competition for cheap labor in a country that depends 2/3 on what consumers spend.
 
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