Honduras Defends Its Democracy

how would you feel if they just executed him?

As others are saying, if Bush had tried to force a referendum on term limits and was forcibly removed by the military, i'm sure they would have exiled him as a despot as well.

Actually the military wouldn't get involved. I imagine people just wouldn't listen to him as he has no power to, and if the congress decided to remove him they'd just go through impeachment hearings, and he'd be out of the job. It would be utterly insane if the military just went in one night and took him to Canada.
 
Except he was attempting to force an issue unconstitutionally and remain in office.

That wouldn't work, he wasn't leaving. Instead they forced him to follow the constitution. As I said, what would you and I have supported if Bush decided he wasn't going to leave? I'm betting he wouldn't be living in Costa Rica.

No, he'd be living in Crawford, Texas.
 
and THIS episode really shows us that liberals hate the rule of law. They would rather have someone who disregards constitutions installed as a socialist leader instead of a democratically elected legislative body remove said violator.

There are simply no words to express how truly silly that is.

What this demonstrates is the utter failure of right-wing/libertarian thought. You can't even discuss the issue without shrouding it in falsehood and your fears. Zelaya is not a socialist leader. He's the democratically elected leader of his democratic nation and that stands true to this very moment.

You trimble :eek: at the sound of the word "socialist" so you have to inject that fear into every conversation.

Obama .. socialist
Chavez .. socialist
Zelaya .. socialist

ALL of whom are POPULAR democratically elected leaders of their democratic nations.

Anyone you don't like and/or can't deal with their truth is a socialist.
 
it was NOT by legal means. He called the referendum when he is not constitutionally allowed to do so. The Supreme Court of Honduras ruled it as unconstitutional and ordered the military to not distribute election supplies. So the President, circumventing rule of law sought help from Hugo "anything to stay in power" Chavez to violate the rule of his own court. That is not the actions of a lawful president. I agree, they should not have deported him, they should have arrested him and placed him in jail, tried him for treason and then imprisoned him.

What treason?

The military leaders need to have there heads put on pikes for THEIR treason.
 
Except you would have called it "kidnapping" that is pretty much what happened. However instead of arresting him and trying him they let him go to Costa Rica. I think they were extremely lenient.

Extremely lenient? You fascist democracy-hater. You'll go through any means to suppress the peoples voice.
 
Only if the referendum is legal, again, this was not. The Supreme Court of Honduras ruled it unconstitutional, he then tried to get a foreign nation to intervene on his behalf. What he did was not legal.

The foreign nation "intervened" by sending him private ballots to distribute. You make it sound like an invasion.
 
and frankly the military wouldn't be necessary. The Capital Police would do just fine.

and what was the whisking him out of the country about?

Is that legal?

the capital police have jurisdiction for that? as far i am aware they're job is to protect the legislative branches
 
When did Zelaya refuse to leave office?" He is STILL the president.

What nation supports your view?

i never said he did....

from what i know, there was rulings by the court and congress to remove him...

and your appeal to authority is getting extremely boring....so if all states support slavery, then slavery must be right :rolleyes:
 
i never said he did....

from what i know, there was rulings by the court and congress to remove him...

and your appeal to authority is getting extremely boring....so if all states support slavery, then slavery must be right :rolleyes:

The court doesn't have the power to remove him.
 
the capital police have jurisdiction for that? as far i am aware they're job is to protect the legislative branches

If someone is in the capital with no legal authority to be there all it takes is for the Capital Police to keep them out.

There is no role for the military to intervene.

There is no justification for this coup and it will fail in short order.
 
If Obama sending in the troops is what force means to you, that's cool, but that isn't what I mean .. nor do I believe that any nation will need to send in troops. Honduras does not exist in a bubble and it is heavily reliant on other nations for its economic existence. How long do you think it will be before the people of Honduras forces the hand of the juanta if sanctions are put in place?
yeah, fuck that countries right to rule itself by its constitution, written by the people.

You taking this position is quite incredible. It's hardly a defensible one.
It's completely defensible because it was completely fucking legal.

UN General Assembly slams military coup in Honduras

In an emergency meeting of the United Nations General Assembly on Monday, diplomats and regional groups came together to condemn the military coup in Honduras and called for the restoration of constitutional order.
conveniently leaving out the fact that the honduran congress and courts came to this decision by rule of law. The UN is without credibility on this issue.

Stop right there. .. Do you believe Zelaya offered a letter of resignation?
probably under duress, which in my opinion would render it an illegal resignation. This is probably the only thing that should be investigated right now.

Mexican UN Ambassador Claude Heller condemned the coup d'tat committed against the president and called for the restoration of democratic values. "The Rio Group rejects the use of armed force and the arbitrary detention of the head of the executive power who was forced to leave the country," he said. "The breech of constitutional order is unacceptable and inadmissible."
another talking head idiot that can't wrap his mind around the fact that this was done legally upon the courts order as well as congress.


Several government officials are reported to have been detained, including Foreign Minister Patricia Rodas, who was later flown to Mexico on Monday, where she was welcomed by the government of Felipe Calderon.
were these government officials attempting to help subvert the honduran constitution? If so, then they are also criminals and should feel lucky they were just exiled.

Chilean UN Ambassador Heraldo Munoz, speaking on behalf of the Union of South American Nations, offered the fullest support to President Zelaya and said the union would only recognize a democratically elected government.

"This was a simple coup d'etat with no need of any ornament of explanation," he said.
another talking head idiot ignoring facts of law.

Speaking on behalf of the 118 members of the Non-aligned Movement (NAM), Cuban UN Ambassador Abelardo Moreno strongly condemned the kidnapping of President Zelaya, adding that NAM " categorically rejects the breech of the democratic constitutional order that has taken place in Honduras as well as all violent actions against the people and the legitimate government."
another idiot, alongside 118 other idiots.

Taking the podium, Nicaraguan UN Ambassador Rubiales de Chamorro, whose country received President Zelaya on Monday, emphasized that the Americas are united in their rejection of the coup d'tat.
and another one.

Calling the military's actions "cowardly," Rubiales de Chamorro said no marshal law will be able to "quell the clamor of the Honduran people for liberty."
say what? the last report said 500 supporters protested. This many people define liberty for honduras?

She also condemned the kidnapping of the foreign ambassadors to Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela, calling it a "flagrant act of aggression" against those countries.
this should be investigated, however, was this really a kidnapping or did they expel the ambassadors?

NO NATION ON EARTH supports this .. which quite clearly refutes your thought that this is how all nations operate.
any nation with a multi branched and equal powered government has this basic function written in the laws of their country. whether they actually follow through with it or not is irrelevant. I guess I could say 'SHOULD' operate this way.

You can keep swimming upstream on this brother, but the outcome is a foregone conclusion that a blind man should be able to see.
im sure it is, small struggling nations generally will have to bow down to those with power, even though those in power are wrong.

What this issue boils down to is countries are incredulous that a nation would actually use their own military to uphold the constitution, something government leaders have long thought would never happen to them, yet it's crystal clear now that it can. That is why there is such a huge outrage about this. None of these talking heads wants to be told they have to toe the law when it concerns their own actions.
 
The court doesn't have the power to remove him.

i meant...rulings by the court and then congress voted to remove him...or so i read somewhere, don't know what exactly is true....

and hey, you must speak spanish if you know for a fact their constitution does not allow that....where do you get your knowledge for that
 
If someone is in the capital with no legal authority to be there all it takes is for the Capital Police to keep them out.

There is no role for the military to intervene.

There is no justification for this coup and it will fail in short order.

link to where they have jurisdiction to remove the president from the white house, NOT the capitol building
 
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