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There are also many things in the Bible that there is no evidence, like the virgin birth and the resurrection. You are free to have the faith and belief they are true. I find it hard to believe.

I will leave you with this!
“The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing.” 1 Corinthians 1:18 NKJV

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God dying on the cross for our sins sounds like “foolishness” to some people. Their philosophy is “If I cannot understand it, I won’t accept it.” That’s where they get it wrong. Salvation comes through faith alone. “Unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 18:3 NKJV). Simple, childlike faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross is all that’s required. The story is told of a college student whose professor gave him zero on a test. Upset, he said, “I don’t deserve this grade.” The professor smiled and quipped, “I agree, but zero is the lowest grade I can give.” That’s how God feels about our wisdom. “The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God” (1 Corinthians 3:19 NKJV). One day a man stood on the roof of his house during a flood and prayed, “God, please save me.” Soon a rowboat came by and offered to take him to safety. But he said, “No, God will take care of me.” The waters kept coming up until they were almost at his waist. Suddenly a helicopter appeared overhead and a rope ladder was lowered down. “Oh no, God will take care of me.” Soon after that, the man drowned. When he stood before God, he said, “Why didn’t you save me?” God responded, “I sent you a rowboat and a helicopter. What else did you want?” At the cross, God did everything required to save you. All you have to do is trust in Christ and receive the gift of eternal life.
 
Granted I do get angry with people like you, who do nothing but try to get under the skin of others, and then bash their beliefs! I have certainly tried with you to be kinder and gentler. Now this!

Should have left it at this a long time ago!

And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
I do not bash your belief, you are free to have faith and believe. I do not deny you your right. It is just in the 26 years I have studied, I have come to the conclusion that Christianity lacks evidence for its teachings. My telling you the things I have found out about Christianity is not bashing your faith, it’s detailing why I no longer have faith.
 
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Agreed. Sexuality, the means of reproduction, is wired very deep into our DNA. It's basic to all sexual flora and fauna, many of them with little to no brains.

This is why there's no "straight gene" because sexuality isn't a gene. It seems to be a basic part of our structure. Compared to a house, specific genes might be various light switches or outlets, but sexuality seems to be part of the entire household wiring along with a few outlets and various switches in different configurations and all beyond the control of the person.

Obviously if there was a way to ensure their kid came out straight, parents* would elect the option for "normal" sexual preferences. There isn't. No one even knows why they are straight in the first place.

*Gwyneth Paltrow fans and other looney tunes not included.
 
There is archeological proof that things in the Bible not only happened but exactly the way the Bible describes, and in many cases miraculously just as the Bible said they did! You choose who you worship I worship the one and only God of the universe The Triune Godhead, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit! I am not interested in your mythologies! If you say you respect Jesus teachings, but do not believe that he was the Son of God, born of a virgin, who died on a cross, and was resurrected three days later, you most certainly do not respect the teachings of Jesus!

Let's see it.

$10 donation to JPP you can't do it. Saying Jerusalem exists isn't proof of God or Jesus. Same for the fucking Romans. Sodom and Gomorrah existed, but evidence indicates it was wiped out by flood, not fire from heaven as happened to two cities to the north in Syria about the same time. The Red Sea exists, but not parting. Heck, there's no evidence Moses existed as a single person and emancipator.

Matt, you know I know you are an elderly, slightly demented man. Not your fault, but that's why I don't believe your rantings nor take your insults personally anymore than I do Sybil and the other nutjobs on JPP whose only window to the world is the Internet.

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Granted I do get angry with people like you, who do nothing but try to get under the skin of others, and then bash their beliefs! I have certainly tried with you to be kinder and gentler. Now this!

Should have left it at this a long time ago!

And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

Matt, I've never bashed your belief. I've only bashed you for failing to live up to your beliefs....ever.
 
Dude, you're acting like a fucking moron. Hating an ancient text is silly. Have you also claimed to wipe your ass with the Quran, the Torah, the Book of the Dead, the Art of War and other ancient texts?

If you are as smart as you think you are, and as smart as I'd expect you to be, then you'd drop hate and pick up the bumper sticker:

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Sure, toss me those stupid books for ass wiping too. They are just off topic. Art of war excepted. Funny read, that one.
A few asian dudes talking about exactly how many troops you should have on a mountain or when you should flee the enemy is hilarious.
I don't hate ancient texts, I hate superstitious gobbledgook that infects minds and fucks up the world.

I wouldn't hate the bible if it were filed in the fiction self. It is an extremely powerful book, a talisman of authority, that has made billions of people stupid.
 
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these are the evil bastards who hate religion/spiritually not because they care about truth, but because they seek full mind control and maximum effectiveness of dialectical MATERIALISM.

they want to be worshipped, and they want to sit in judgement on all humanity.

LOL
 
Sure, toss me those stupid books for ass wiping too. They are just off topic. Art of war excepted. Funny read, that one.
A few asian dudes talking about exactly how many troops you should have on a mountain or when you should flee the enemy is hilarious.
I don't hate ancient texts, I hate superstitious gobbledgook that infects minds and fucks up the world.

I wouldn't hate the bible if it were filed in the fiction self. It is an extremely powerful book, a talisman of authority, that has made billions of people stupid.

Have you ever read the Art of War by Sun Tzu? Or just the quotes?

Yes, there's superstition, defined as not being grounded in reality, but to attack anyone with superstition is not going to end well as both Stalin and Mao found out. Socialists all hate religion.
 
The law may be an ass, but I don't recommend introducing them to each other.

Please explain to me the difference between a book burner and someone who thinks all ancient texts should be destroyed as toilet paper.
 
Sure, toss me those stupid books for ass wiping too. They are just off topic. Art of war excepted. Funny read, that one.
A few asian dudes talking about exactly how many troops you should have on a mountain or when you should flee the enemy is hilarious.
I don't hate ancient texts, I hate superstitious gobbledgook that infects minds and fucks up the world.

I wouldn't hate the bible if it were filed in the fiction self. It is an extremely powerful book, a talisman of authority, that has made billions of people stupid.

Apparently you haven't read Art of War.
 
Let's see it.

$10 donation to JPP you can't do it. Saying Jerusalem exists isn't proof of God or Jesus. Same for the fucking Romans. Sodom and Gomorrah existed, but evidence indicates it was wiped out by flood, not fire from heaven as happened to two cities to the north in Syria about the same time. The Red Sea exists, but not parting. Heck, there's no evidence Moses existed as a single person and emancipator.

Matt, you know I know you are an elderly, slightly demented man. Not your fault, but that's why I don't believe your rantings nor take your insults personally anymore than I do Sybil and the other nutjobs on JPP whose only window to the world is the Internet.

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Major Evidences Regarding the Person of Our Lord Jesus
Poll tax inscription

Part of an inscription about enrolling for the poll tax

Events surrounding the words and actions of Jesus have been authenticated by archaeological discoveries.

Problems about the census at the time of our Lord’s birth have been resolved by the findings of important papyrus documents. These documents were found in Egypt inside sacred, embalmed crocodiles. The documents were the Jewish priestly writings that were written immediately before, during, and just after New Testament times.

The excavators Granfell and Hunt reported that their evidence showed that this was the first census (poll tax—enrollment) that took place in the time of Quirinius. (Another inscription has shown that Quirinius was in Syria twice—first as a military leader at a time of civil unrest, and later as Governor of Syria.) The census was probably delayed in Palestine because of that civil unrest.

Those papyrus findings have thrown much light on the words our Lord used. It is indeed true that He spoke the language of His time on earth (Mark 12:37).

Pilate is now better known because of a recovered inscription at Caesarea. The John Rylands papyrus (AD 125) records part of the trial before Pilate, fragments of which are recorded in John 18:31–33, 37–38.

Ryland Papyrus

Both sides of the Rylands Papyrus
Major Evidences Regarding the New Testament, the Early Church, and the Early Years of Christianity

The documents of the New Testament have been validated as accurate historical documents.

The papyrii from those Egyptian “talking crocodiles” have demonstrated that the New Testament documents are remarkable records of the times claimed for them in the language of “everyday” people. Those everyday expressions from Paul’s time have also thrown much light on Paul’s writings themselves.

The findings of Sir William Ramsay and his successors in Asia Minor reestablished the veracity of Luke the historian and other New Testament writers.

The three Bible writings most attacked by critics were the Moses’ Pentateuch, Ezra/Nehemiah, and Luke. Every one of these has been remarkably confirmed as being accurate and reliable by the research of credible scholars.
A flood of evidence shows the continuity between the New Testament documents (e.g., the Rylands Papyrus with parts of John 18:31–33 on one side and John 18:37–38 on the other) and the abundant evidence from the secular Roman writers and the early church fathers.

Does Archaeology Prove the Bible?

Even when excavators are digging to uncover a past time period dealt with in the Bible, it is by no means sure that direct biblical history will be unearthed. Such findings are hoped for, not only by Bible students, but by disinterested archaeologists as well, because they know that they must take Bible records seriously. A link with Bible history is an excellent dating point, always desirable but not possible or achieved. These findings are excellent confirmations of God’s Word, as opposed to “proving the Bible.”

Archaeologists are scholars, usually academics with interest in the Bible as an occasional source book. A substantial number of scholarly archaeologists are committed Christians, but they are a minority. Many people believe that all archaeologists set out to verify biblical history, but that is not the case. Many excavators have virtually no interest in the Bible, but there are notable exceptions.
Superiority Despite Attacks by Critics

We have already said that we do not use the statement: “Archaeology proves the Bible.” In fact, such a claim would be putting archaeology above the Bible. What happens when seemingly assured results of archaeology are shown to be wrong after all? Very often archaeology does endorse particular Bible events. And some would say that in this way it “proves the Bible.” But such a statement should be taken with reservation because archaeology is the support, not the main foundation.

Seemingly assured results “disproving” the Bible have a habit of backfiring.

Thousands of facts in the Bible are not capable of verification because the evidence has long since been lost. However, it is remarkable that where confirmation is possible and has come to light, the Bible survives careful investigation in ways that are unique in all literature. Its superiority to attack, its capacity to withstand criticism, and its amazing facility to be proved right are all staggering by any standards of scholarship. Seemingly assured results “disproving” the Bible have a habit of backfiring.

Over and over again the Bible has been vindicated from Genesis to Revelation. The superiority of Genesis 1–11 has been established, and the patriarchal backgrounds have been endorsed. The writings of Moses do date to his time, and the record of the conquest of Canaan under Joshua has many indications of eyewitness recording.

David’s Psalms were clearly products of his time, and records about Solomon should no longer be written off as “legendary.” Solomon was a literary giant, a commercial magnate, and a powerful ruler—under God. God alone gave Israel their “golden age.”

The Assyrian period has given dramatic confirmation to biblical records, with excavations of palace after palace over the last 150 years. Such excavations constantly add to our understanding of the background to Old Testament kings, prophets, peoples, and incidents.

The exile in Babylon is endorsed at various points, and the Cyrus Decree makes it clear that captured people could return to their own lands and worship according to their own beliefs. Ezra and Nehemiah are accurate reflections of that post-exilic period.

Likewise, the New Testament documents have been consistently demonstrated as factual, eyewitness records. Kings, rulers, and officials are named unerringly; titles are used casually but with remarkable accuracy; geographic boundaries are highlighted; and customs are correctly touched on.

It is indeed true that “truth shall spring out of the earth” (Psalm 85:11).
Archaeology as It Relates to the Biblical Record

Our understanding of essential biblical doctrine has never changed because of archaeological findings. It should be acknowledged, however, that at times it has been necessary to look again to see just what the Bible is actually saying. There have been times when new light has been thrown on words used in Scripture in both Old and New Testaments.

We have seen that the titles of officials of Israel’s neighbors are now better understood and that many words are better understood because of the records in clay, on papyrus, and on stone.

The Old Testament is an ancient book, not a modern record, and its style is that of the East and not the West. At times it must be interpreted, based on its context, in the symbolic and figurative style of the Jews of ancient times, and not according to the “scientific precision” of our modern materialistic age.

Sometimes the Bible uses “the language of phenomena”—as when it refers to the sun rising. Scientifically speaking, the earth is what “rises.” However, though the Bible is not a science textbook, it is yet wonderfully true that where the Bible touches on science it is astonishingly accurate.

The more this new science of archaeology touches the records of the Bible, the more we are convinced that it is a unique record. At many points it is greatly superior to other writings left by neighboring people.

We have not said, “Archaeology proves the Bible,” and we do not suggest it. To do so would be quite wrong, even though such a statement is often made by those introducing a lecturer on biblical archaeology. The Bible itself is the absolute; archaeology is not. If archaeology could prove the Bible, archaeology would be greater than the Bible, but it is not. The Bible comes with the authority of almighty God. It is His Word, and He is greater than all else.

Nevertheless, archaeology has done a great deal to restore confidence in the Bible as the revealed Word of God. It has thrown a great deal of light on previously obscure passages and has helped us to understand customs, culture, and background in many ways that seemed most unlikely to our fathers in a previous generation. Archaeology is highly relevant for understanding the Bible today.
The Value of Archaeology for the Bible Student

Archaeology has done a great deal to cause many scholars to take the Bible much more seriously. It has touched the history and culture of Israel and her neighbors at many points and has often surprised researchers by the implicit accuracy of its statements.

If it can be shown (as it can) that the Bible writers lived and gave their message against the backgrounds claimed for them, it becomes clear that their amazing prophetic messages are also genuine, written long before the events they prophesied. Consider five important ways in which archaeology has been of great value for Bible students.

Archaeology confirms Bible history, and it often shows that Bible people and incidents are correctly referred to.

One example is that of Sargon, a king named in Isaiah 20:1. Critics at one time said that there was no such king. But then his palace was found at Khorsabad, and there was a description of the very battle referred to by Isaiah. Another illustration is the death of the Assyrian King Sennacherib. His death is recorded in Isaiah 37 and also in the annals of Sennacherib’s son Esarhaddon, whom Isaiah says succeeded Sennacherib.

Archaeology gives local color, indicating that the background is authentic.

Laws and customs, gods, and religious practices are shown to be associated with times and places mentioned in the Bible. Rachel’s stealing her father’s clay gods illustrates the correct understanding of customs: she and Leah asked, “Is there yet any portion or inheritance for us in our father’s house?” (Genesis 31:14). She knew the teraphim (clay gods) were associated with title deeds, which was a custom of that time.

Archaeology provides additional facts.

Archaeological facts help the Bible student understand times and circumstances better than would otherwise be possible. Bible writers tell us the names of such Assyrian kings as Sennacherib and Esarhaddon, and we now know a great deal more about these rulers from records recovered in their palaces and libraries.

Archaeology has proved of tremendous value in Bible translations.

The meanings of words and phrases are often illuminated when found in other contexts. 2 Kings 18:17, for example, correctly uses three Assyrian army titles. Those terms are tartan (commander-in-chief), rabshakeh (chief of the princes), and rabsaris (chief eunuch). The meanings of these words were unknown at the time of the production of the King James Version of the Bible in 1611.

Only when Assyrian palaces were excavated was a great deal of light thrown onto their meanings. The fact that these titles are correctly used in the Old Testament is another strong argument for eyewitness recording. People do not know the titles of their enemy without some form of contact.

Archaeology has demonstrated the accuracy of many Bible prophecies.

The prophecies against Nineveh, Babylon, and Tyre in Isaiah are typical examples, as are the early records of creation in the Bible. It is also highly important that Isaiah and others so accurately pointed to the coming Messiah. At many points their history has been vindicated, and so have their prophecies about Jesus.

This spiritual application is surely one of the most important aspects of biblical archaeology, reminding us that “holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21).

Archaeology has done much to demonstrate that “the Bible was right after all.” Its early records of creation, Eden, the Flood, long-living men, and the dispersal of the nations are not mere legends after all. Other tablets recording the same events have been recovered, but they are often distorted and corrupted.

The Bible record is immensely superior, and quite credible. Those early Bible records can no longer be written off as myth or legend.

“For ever, O Lord, Your word is settled in heaven” (Psalm 119:89).
A Memory Aid Showing the Relevance of Archaeology to the Bible

S Superiority—Creation, Flood, Tower of Babel, Laws of Moses, Psalms of David, genuine prophets of Israel, the teachings of Jesus.

C Customs—Rachel stealing clay gods; Joseph’s story; religious practices; ruthlessness of Assyrians; unchangeable laws of Medes and Persians; enrolling for census when Jesus was born.

A Additional information—Moabite Stone; Jehu and the Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser; the assassination of Assyrian King Sennacherib; Belshazzar as co-regent with his father Nabonidus; new light on New Testament backgrounds from the Dead Sea Scrolls and other manuscripts and inscriptions.

L Language and Languages—Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Others are touched in passing, including Egyptian, Canaanite, Philistine, Babylonian, Persian, Latin, and Assyrian.

P Prophecy—about Bible lands and people, as well as the Lord Jesus Christ. The local color and the integrity of prophecies demonstrate the uniqueness of the Bible.

S Specific Incidents and People—Sargon’s victory against Ashdod (Isaiah 20:1); the death of Sennacherib (Isaiah 37); Nebuchadnezzar the King of Babylon who campaigned against Jerusalem and Judah; various rulers (such as the Herods) correctly identified (the Gospels and Acts); the census in the time of Caesar Augustus.

Many people have commented that they do not have the knowledge to talk about archaeology and the Bible; this acrostic SCALPS should help.6

1 Peter 3:15 urges us to “always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear.”

That’s a command to Christians!
 
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