Why don’t more people listen to this young man?

Because those "certain immunologists" aren't part of the consensus view, the overwhelming consensus view, and as was explained to you before, Covid is a novel virus, a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans, what that "century of immunology" taught us doesn't automatically apply

It’s not a ‘a certain immunologist’ but the most comprehensive study done on natural immunity *to Covid*.

By all rights, the consensus should be that the naturally immune should be exempt from vax mandates. But it’s not, and no one can explain why.
 
Pretty impressive young person. Wise, even.

No! Not as wise and informed as he should be.

An advantage of having the vaccine, is the way the vaccine protects you from the newer morphed versions of Covid 19 such as the one that is dominating at this time.

The vaccine was designed to attack any and all viruses that produces the protein spikes, and not just the matching DNA of Covid 19- like all virus vaccines of the past used to work.

The Basketball player suffered Covid 19 and the antibodies that his body developed to protect him from Covid 19 are useless against the the newer strains of the virus now dominating across the country.

He is vulnerable to them and is not protected from them. A vaccine will give him protection.

So, no, he is missing this important information and is at risk.
 
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No! Not as wise and informed as he should be.

An advantage of having the vaccine, is the way the vaccine protects you from the newer morphed versions of Covid 19 such as the one that is dominating at this time.

The vaccine was designed to attack any and all viruses that produces the protein spikes, and not the matching DNA of Covid 19.

The Basketball player suffered Covid 19 and the antibodies that his body developed to protect him from Covid 19 are useless against the the newer strains of the virus now dominating across the country.

He is vulnerable to them and is not protected from them. A vaccine will give him protection.

So, no, he is missing this important information and is at risk.

He seems pretty well read to me:

“Starting from back in November, we’ve had a lot of really important studies that showed us that memory B cells and memory T cells were forming in response to natural infection,” says Gandhi. Studies are also showing, she says, that these memory cells will respond by producing antibodies to the variants at hand.91011

Gandhi included a list of some 20 references on natural immunity to covid in a long Twitter thread supporting the durability of both vaccine and infection induced immunity.12 “I stopped adding papers to it in December because it was getting so long,” she tells The BMJ.

But the studies kept coming. A National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded study from La Jolla Institute for Immunology found “durable immune responses” in 95% of the 200 participants up to eight months after infection.13 One of the largest studies to date, published in Science in February 2021, found that although antibodies declined over 8 months, memory B cells increased over time, and the half life of memory CD8+ and CD4+ T cells suggests a steady presence.

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101
 
He seems pretty well read to me:

“Starting from back in November, we’ve had a lot of really important studies that showed us that memory B cells and memory T cells were forming in response to natural infection,” says Gandhi. Studies are also showing, she says, that these memory cells will respond by producing antibodies to the variants at hand.91011

Gandhi included a list of some 20 references on natural immunity to covid in a long Twitter thread supporting the durability of both vaccine and infection induced immunity.12 “I stopped adding papers to it in December because it was getting so long,” she tells The BMJ.

But the studies kept coming. A National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded study from La Jolla Institute for Immunology found “durable immune responses” in 95% of the 200 participants up to eight months after infection.13 One of the largest studies to date, published in Science in February 2021, found that although antibodies declined over 8 months, memory B cells increased over time, and the half life of memory CD8+ and CD4+ T cells suggests a steady presence.

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101

I'll have to read up on that one, and educate myself with some of these medical terms you are using. This information is all over my head.

Here is the deal, there have only been just a handful of negative reactions to the vaccine I took, and I do mean very rare cases, and Billions of people are having great success with the Phizer and other vaccines- AROUND THE WORLD.

So to even think you would be one of these rare incidents of having a negative reaction to the vaccines, is like going through life thinking you'll be struck by lightning, or never driving again because you fear you would become a statistic of dying in an automobile crash.

Are you people that really paranoid in life? DO you really think your life is more important than anyone else?

People are always saying, you only live once! Well, that may be true, but the more important thing to think about is YOU ONLY DIE ONCE- and until that happens you will live every day.

So why risk your life by not getting the vaccine?

You certainly do not want to die from STUPIDITY or IGNORANCE- or in your case POLITICAL REASONS!!
 
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His numbers are wrong. problems with people getting a breakthrough case are a lot more frequent and dangerous than the extremely rare vaccine reactions. Nobody died from the vaccine.
 
And...

Or President Joke Biden weighs in on this...

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I'll have to read up on that one, and educate myself with some of these medical terms you are using. This information is all over my head.

Here is the deal, there have only been just a handful of reactions to the vaccine I took, and I do mean very rare cases, and Billions of people are having great success with the Phizer and other vaccines- AROUND THE WORLD.

So to even think you would be one of these rare incidents of having a negative reaction to the vaccines, is like going through life thinking you'll be struck by lightning, or never driving again because you fear you would become a statistic of dying in an automobile crash.

Are you people that really paranoid in life.

People are always saying, you only live once! Well, that may be true, but the more important thing to think about is YOU ONLY DIE ONCE- and until that happens you will live every day.

So why risk your life by not getting the vaccine?

You certainly do not want to die from STUPIDITY or IGNORANCE- or in your case POLITICAL REASONS!!

T cells and B cells are just components in the immune system. That’s all you need to know about it.

The vax produces antibodies that are specific to the protein spikes. The T cells and B cells attack the whole virus and studies have shown that they have good ‘memory’. IOW, they last a minute. It’s notable that the studies confirm what was expected—that natural immunity is more robust than vax immunity. Natural immunity ‘has a larger arsenal’ to attack the virus than vax immunity does. It only makes sense.

This is the state of the knowledge and other counties have recognized it and implemented it into policy. Israel for example, gives a ‘green pass’ that gets you into everything a vax pass will.

Why doesn’t Biden and Fauci do the same? Too many Big Pharma lobbyists in this country? Think of all the grief it would save from mass firings.
 
Not that it is relevant to the topic post, but you are partially correct, if the same "calm, cool, collected, reasoned, logical, thoughtful" young man sat down during the national anthem or sang an alternative anthem they'd quickly do anything but a "calm, cool, collected, reasoned, logical, thoughtful" young man

Can you imagine? The OP would have been, "Shut the fuck up and play the sports ball, Darky! No one cares if you have opinions."
 
Can you imagine? The OP would have been, "Shut the fuck up and play the sports ball, Darky! No one cares if you have opinions."

He was asked a question and gave an informed answer.

It was made into a political issue by…who? Initials are JB?
 
He also said the vaccinated can spread it and that he had it and is naturally immune. And that it makes zero sense for him from a risk/benefit standpoint.

I’m hopeful that someday, someone will be explain to me why people who are already immune should be forced to take a vaccine that a century of immunology says they don’t need.

Waiting to hear from Fauci on it? Where is he on that, btw?
because it's not just the "science" - vaxx mandates are political
 
Because those "certain immunologists" aren't part of the consensus view, the overwhelming consensus view, and as was explained to you before, Covid is a novel virus, a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans, what that "century of immunology" taught us doesn't automatically apply
no. acquired immunity is a biological certainty.
it may vary in individuals depending on the health of their immune system' but novel virus still follow biology
 
It’s not a ‘a certain immunologist’ but the most comprehensive study done on natural immunity *to Covid*.

By all rights, the consensus should be that the naturally immune should be exempt from vax mandates. But it’s not, and no one can explain why.
Cleveland and Israel studies confirm this
 
Other countries do give past infection some immunological currency. Israel recommends that people who have had covid-19 wait three months before getting one mRNA vaccine dose and offers a “green pass” (vaccine passport) to those with a positive serological result regardless of vaccination.19 In the European Union, people are eligible for an EU digital covid certificate after a single dose of an mRNA vaccine if they have had a positive test result within the past six months, allowing travel between 27 EU member states.20 In the UK, people with a positive polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test result can obtain the NHS covid pass up until 180 days after infection.21

Although it’s too soon to say whether these systems are working smoothly or mitigating spread, the US has no category for people who have been infected. The CDC still recommends a full vaccination dose for all, which is now being mirrored in mandates. A spokesperson told The BMJ that “the immune response from vaccination is more predictable” and that based on current evidence, antibody responses after infection “vary widely by individual,” though studies are ongoing to “learn how much protection antibodies from infection may provide and how long that protection lasts.”

In June, Peter Marks, director of the Food and Drug Administration’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, which regulates vaccines, went a step further and stated: “We do know that the immunity after vaccination is better than the immunity after natural infection.” In an email, an FDA spokesperson said Marks’s comment was based on a laboratory study of the binding breadth of Moderna vaccine induced antibodies.22 The research did not measure any clinical outcomes. Marks added, referring to antibodies, that “generally the immunity after natural infection tends to wane after about 90 days.”23

“It appears from the literature that natural infection provides immunity, but that immunity is seemingly not as strong and may not be as long lasting as that provided by the vaccine,” Alfred Sommer, dean emeritus of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health tells The BMJ.

But not everyone agrees with this interpretation. “The data we have right now suggests that there probably isn’t a whole lot of difference” in terms of immunity to the spike protein, says Matthew Memoli, director of the Laboratory of Infectious Diseases Clinical Studies at the NIH, who spoke to The BMJ in a personal capacity.

Memoli highlights real world data such as the Cleveland Clinic study18 and points out that while “vaccines are focused on only that tiny portion of immunity that can be induced” by the spike, someone who has had covid-19 was exposed to the whole virus, “which would likely offer a broader based immunity” that would be more protective against variants. The laboratory study offered by the FDA22 “only has to do with very specific antibodies to a very specific region of the virus [the spike],” says Memoli. “Claiming this as data supporting that vaccines are better than natural immunity is shortsighted and demonstrates a lack of understanding of the complexity of immunity to respiratory viruses.”
Antibodies

Much of the debate pivots on the importance of sustained antibody protection. In April, Anthony Fauci told US radio host Maria Hinajosa that people who have had covid-19 (including Hinajosa) still need to be “boosted” by vaccination because “your antibodies will go sky high.”

“That’s still what we’re hearing from Dr Fauci—he’s a strong believer that higher antibody titres are going to be more protective against the variants,” says Jeffrey Klausner, a clinical professor of preventive medicine at the University of Southern California and former CDC medical officer, who has spoken out in favour of treating prior infection as equivalent to vaccination, with “the same societal status.”3 Klausner conducted a systematic review of 10 studies on reinfection and concluded that the “protective effect” of a previous infection “is high and similar to the protective effect of vaccination.”

In vaccine trials, antibodies are higher in participants who were seropositive at baseline than in those who were seronegative.24 However, Memoli questions the importance: “We don’t know that that means it’s better protection.”

Former CDC director Tom Frieden, a proponent of universal vaccination, echoes that uncertainty: “We don’t know that antibody level is what determines protection.”

Gandhi and others have been urging reporters away from antibodies as the defining metric of immunity. “It is accurate that your antibodies will go down” after natural infection, she says—that’s how the immune system works. If antibodies didn’t clear from our bloodstream after we recover from a respiratory infection, “our blood would be thick as molasses.”

“The real memory in our immune system resides in the [T and B] cells, not in the antibodies themselves,” says Patrick Whelan, a paediatric rheumatologist at University of California, Los Angeles. He points out that his sickest covid-19 patients in intensive care, including children with multisystem inflammatory syndrome, have “had loads of antibodies ... So the question is, why didn’t they protect them?”

Antonio Bertoletti, a professor of infectious disease at Duke-NUS Medical School in Singapore, has conducted research that indicates T cells may be more important than antibodies. Comparing the T cell response in people with symptomatic versus asymptomatic covid-19, Bertoletti’s team found them to be identical, suggesting that the severity of infection does not predict strength of resulting immunity and that people with asymptomatic infections “mount a highly functional virus specific cellular immune response.”25
 
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