Obama Embarrasses Republicans by Pointing Out That They're Playing Politics

Yurt said:
i like these ideas:

4. Pay Employees for Healthy Habits
When Safeway CEO Steve Burd discovered that 70 percent of health care costs are linked to unhealthy habits, he created incentives that sent his employees scrambling for the produce aisle. "No one quarrels with the fact that if you have three speeding tickets a year, you're a higher risk and should pay more for auto insurance," says the 58-year-old fitness buff. "Our new plan encourages employees to live healthier, and if they don't, then they bear some of the costs." Perks include lower premiums for those who lose weight or quit smoking, free or cheap gym memberships, and a $1,000 health care reimbursement check to encourage cheaper choices like generics over name-brand drugs.

The payoff: The company's new plan has saved 13 percent so far, and employees who've signed up have saved 20 to 30 percent on their premiums. If other companies followed Safeway's lead, the country could save $600 billion to $800 billion.

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9. Stop Unnecessary Treatments
We spend more than any other country on health care, but we're not healthier for it, partly because so much of the care delivered here is unnecessary, says Shannon Brownlee, author of Overtreated: Why Too Much Medicine Is Making Us Sicker and Poorer.

"The way to fight waste," she says, "is by reorganizing the way doctors and nurses and hospitals provide care. There are models out there of high-quality, low-cost care, and they include some of the most trusted names in medicine: the Mayo Clinic, Kaiser, and Intermountain Healthcare. These programs have a primary provider coordinate all the care. They understand that 21st-century medicine is a team sport. They also put a premium on analyzing the best available evidence and then ensuring that their doctors follow it."

The payoff: "Cutting out even half of the unnecessary health care in this country," Brownlee says, "would be enough to cover every citizen who is now uninsured."

http://www.rd.com/living-healthy/18-ideas-to-reform-health-care-now/article101364-1.html
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I pointed these out earlier, but simply got "Well, no nation has ever gone back..." as an answer. It was sad.
 
Onceler said:
You got that right.

I kept asking meme this morning what the GOP solution was; she kept coming back with "google it."

They don't have clue.
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http://www.john-goodman-blog.com/the-republican-health-plan/

Here is just one of the solutions that the Rs have proposed.

The republicans have offered the Coburn Bill this time to be handily rejected by the Democrats, much like Bob Dole's bill with 40 R co-sponsors that would have given the Ds much of what they wanted and would have created a moment of bipartisanship way back in the day...
 
ib1yysguy said:
We can afford it. It's deficit neutral, apart from what they expect doctors to be paid in 10 years.
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Hmm... I recently read a study that showed that approximately 85% of the cost remains uncovered and just shoved to the end of it, that the plan wouldn't go into effect for five years, and two years after Obama's second term if he gets it the bill would come due.

I'll see if I can find a link... It was in a magazine so it should be somewhere here on teh interwebs.

Knowing what we know about government programs, at that time we either pay, or we add to the deficit, because admitting failure and replacing the danged thing is never an option.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
personally, I think you have all missed an important aspect of your funding proposal......you intend to pay for a third of the plan by raising taxes on the rich, and the other two thirds by not paying doctors......but, aren't the doctors the same rich people you intend to tax?.....and by not paying them, you make them less rich?.....and by making them less rich you eliminate your share of their income (taxes) that you need to pay for the plan?.....talk about the Law of Diminishing Returns......
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Doctors don't make enough to be in that tax bracket, and if they did it would be a trivial decrease in funds.
 
Topspin said:
fuck that when you tax more than libtard France it should be game on for republicans.
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Some areas have a marginal tax rate higher than the federal marginal tax rate in some European areas. I'm sure conservatives "forgot" to compare it to the highest combined federal-local-state/commune/whatever in Europe, but let's just leave that out.

It'll be game on for Democrats because people won't be dying so that the Republicans can go and send some more money to the rich.
 
Topspin said:
I think there are enough dems to kill it.
And republicans should beat Obama with the defeat.
He needs to realize he shouldn't piss away political capital on freaking pipe dreams and scare tactics.
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We don't give a fuck what you fascists think. This is the best thing for America. It is getting passed, and that is that. Obama will be congratulated for it's tremendous success in 2012 by trouncing Palin 80-20.
 
I really like the way President Obama socks it to the Republicans.


Its so great to see it happen, the guy is smarter than 90% of congress.
 
Damocles said:
I pointed these out earlier, but simply got "Well, no nation has ever gone back..." as an answer. It was sad.
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You do realize that "cutting unnecessary medical care" was what Obama was proposing when he was accused of wanting to murder elderly and refuse to give them healthcare, etc... ?

Republicans will stop at no lengths to be right, even if they're wrong. YOu people are disgusting.
 
Watermark said:
We don't give a fuck what you fascists think. This is the best thing for America. It is getting passed, and that is that. Obama will be congratulated for it's tremendous success in 2012 by trouncing Palin 80-20.
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I love how minimum wage college juniors know what's best on taxes.
Get a real job Gerber.
And if we had a betting function on this site I'd bet your several of your minimum wage hours that Hillarycare fails AGAIN.
 
Damocles said:
http://www.john-goodman-blog.com/the-republican-health-plan/

Here is just one of the solutions that the Rs have proposed.

The republicans have offered the Coburn Bill this time to be handily rejected by the Democrats, much like Bob Dole's bill with 40 R co-sponsors that would have given the Ds much of what they wanted and would have created a moment of bipartisanship way back in the day...
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Damo, you do know that that plan consists of a tax credit, a health savings account, and nothing else don't you? It is nothing. It's not even worth looking at.
 
meme said:
Every dictator believes themselves smarter than the people they rule over..
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Are you saying President Obama rules Congress.... I agree!

That is not the same thing as saying he is smarter than the American people.
 
Watermark said:
You do realize that "cutting unnecessary medical care" was what Obama was proposing when he was accused of wanting to murder elderly and refuse to give them healthcare, etc... ?

Republicans will stop at no lengths to be right, even if they're wrong. YOu people are disgusting.
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I know many people who do not have health insurance who go to the ER for colds, flu, headach's, and the like. That is the kind of unnecessary healthcare President Obama is talking about... not "murdering the elderly". Geesh you people are awfull!
 
Jarod said:
I know many people who do not have health insurance who go to the ER for colds, flu, headach's, and the like. That is the kind of unnecessary healthcare President Obama is talking about... not "murdering the elderly". Geesh you people are awfull!
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I know most 20 somethings don't even consider buying health insurance and Obama will mandate it.
I like the status quo better than shit wrapped in a bow.
 
Jarod said:
I know many people who do not have health insurance who go to the ER for colds, flu, headach's, and the like. That is the kind of unnecessary healthcare President Obama is talking about... not "murdering the elderly". Geesh you people are awfull!
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Yes, I know! Notice the massive difference in the response from these right-wingers when Obama proposed it as compared to when this right-winger proposed the exact same thing!
 
Topspin said:
I know most 20 somethings don't even consider buying health insurance and Obama will mandate it.
I like the status quo better than shit wrapped in a bow.
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That is a legit argument, much better than claiming President Obama is going to murder old people to save unnecessary health procecdures.
 
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