Look Here to See What’s in the Health Care Bill: CHILLING!

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Larry Schweikart


Take a look at what actually is in the Health Care bill. Obama makes disingenuous comments like "You'll still keep your doctor" or "You'll keep your existing health care." He is either lying to us or he has no idea what is in it. Take a peek at the full report, or look at some of the highlights here:

Pg 22 of the HC Bill mandates the Government will audit books of all employers that self insure. Can you imagine what that will do to small businesses? Every one will abandon “self insurance” and go on Government insurance. So when Obama says that there will still be private health care, it’s simply a lie: this mandate will force employers to abandon their private plans.

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – a Government committee (good luck with that!) will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE WILL BE RATIONED! (We all knew this, because health care is rationed in Canada and Britain, but Obama kept saying it would not be).

Pg 42 of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You will have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

Pg 58 HC Bill – Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your bank accts for election funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (read: ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government will create an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Government will ration your Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation for illegal aliens.

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups, i.e. ACORN & Americorps, to sign up individuals for Government HC plan.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly.

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ AMA - The Government will tell YOU what you can earn.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE.

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll $400k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between $251k & $400k who don’t provide public option pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (the GOVERNMENT) will have access to ALL Americans’ finances and personal records.

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that.

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors – doesn’t matter what specialty – will all be paid the same.

PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of Doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc. Literally, value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Government mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

PG 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what Government deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors who treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission - Government will penalize you.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion - Government will mandate hospitals cannot expand.

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures which of course forces health care rationing.

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc., forcing people into Government plan.

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. HC by phone.

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations. Think Senior Citizens end of life prodding.

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in how to die.

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients’ health deteriorates.

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life!

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The Government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services/Non profit orgs. (ACORN Medical Services here?)

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION. 1 monthly payment to a community-based organization. (Like ACORN?)

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Government will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Government into our marriages.

Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services. You’d better speak up now before you are on the "advanced care consultation" list.

more at..
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.3815,css.print/pub_detail.asp
 
Hey Meme,

I think you should present one of these items a day for debate. Lock the thread at the end of the day and take a new one for the next day...each one of these items is worthy of debating.

The one that got me? Providing a translator for persons who don't understand english.

The only conclusions I can draw from the outrage over some of these items is that they are in there to give congress some things to remove so they look responsible.
 
Hey Meme,

I think you should present one of these items a day for debate. Lock the thread at the end of the day and take a new one for the next day...each one of these items is worthy of debating.

The one that got me? Providing a translator for persons who don't understand english.

The only conclusions I can draw from the outrage over some of these items is that they are in there to give congress some things to remove so they look responsible.
You can make good part-time money if you are bilingual. The hospitals are already required to hire interpreters for those who speak a different language.
 
You can make good part-time money if you are bilingual. The hospitals are already required to hire interpreters for those who speak a different language.

This has been going on for eons in my area. The hospitals in my area tried to get me to be an interpreter, but I said NO.
 
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This has been going on for eons in my area. The hospitals in my area tried to get me to be an interpreter, but I said NO.

Of course you said "No". It's far better in your eyes to leave an emergency room patient, legal or illegal, on a gurney, undiagnosed or misdiagnosed. than find someone who could speak his/her language. We'll show them damn foreigners!
(I'm not surprised.)
 
Hey Meme,

I think you should present one of these items a day for debate. Lock the thread at the end of the day and take a new one for the next day...each one of these items is worthy of debating.

The one that got me? Providing a translator for persons who don't understand english.

The only conclusions I can draw from the outrage over some of these items is that they are in there to give congress some things to remove so they look responsible.


Of course. Damn Foreigners, let them suffer!
 
Of course you said "No". It's far better in your eyes to leave an emergency room patient, legal or illegal, on a gurney, undiagnosed or misdiagnosed. than find someone who could speak his/her language. We'll show them damn foreigners!
(I'm not surprised.)

Is that right? ROTFL
 
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that.

Intellectually dishonest.

The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax
imposed by this chapter for purposes of determining the amount of any credit under this chapter or for purposes of section 55.’’.

Which is basically a notation in the text that the tax they're talking about didn't originate in the current chapter. Chilling.
 
Intellectually dishonest.



Which is basically a notation in the text that the tax they're talking about didn't originate in the current chapter. Chilling.


How stupid do their sources think people are? Does nothing ever insult their intelligence?
 
Of course. Damn Foreigners, let them suffer!

Canada does...and I have read where you applaud their system. The only care you can get in Canada without insurance is emergency room service (which you will be billed for). All other care MUST be paid out of pocket if you are not a part of their health care system.
 
Canada does...and I have read where you applaud their system. The only care you can get in Canada without insurance is emergency room service (which you will be billed for). All other care MUST be paid out of pocket if you are not a part of their health care system.

You're right, I know their system beats Hell out of ours and 90+% of Canadians agree.
Please let me know the basis for your "facts".
 
Of course you said "No". It's far better in your eyes to leave an emergency room patient, legal or illegal, on a gurney, undiagnosed or misdiagnosed. than find someone who could speak his/her language. We'll show them damn foreigners!
(I'm not surprised.)

Why, that says something about her ability to communicate and I just thought it was the way she is on here! I love validation!
 
You're right, I know their system beats Hell out of ours and 90+% of Canadians agree.
Please let me know the basis for your "facts".

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Canadian's by and large have not experienced OUR system, but the ones that HAVE, because they could not get the help they needed in a timely way, LOVED our system. Canadians also had to fight to get a free market system reestablished for those who could afford it because they HATED the lack of freedom with the government only plan.

Now back to the FACT that Canadian's won't provide anything other than emergency care to "foreigners". You know, like we do to.
 
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Canadian's by and large have not experienced OUR system, but the ones that HAVE, because they could not get the help they needed in a timely way, LOVED our system. Canadians also had to fight to get a free market system reestablished for those who could afford it because they HATED the lack of freedom with the government only plan.

Now back to the FACT that Canadian's won't provide anything other than emergency care to "foreigners". You know, like we do to.

Americans "by and large" have not experienced the CANADIAN system those who have, used it for all the same reasons plus low cost.
What care other than in an emergency would a foreigner go abroad for and not expect to pay? It's the same here. If it's anything like the UK, they temporarily enroll a foreign patient into their plan for a VERY small fee, because they understand the system cost is more controllable when everyone is covered.
The fact remains that 96% of Canadians prefer their system over ours. They have a choice and the same % remains in the public system. I presume you know that Americans also cross the border Northward for cheaper healthcare(and expect to pay for it). There is a burgeoning business, of Americans on the cusp traveling to India or Thailand to obtain medical procedures they can't afford here
You made some statements in your previous post about which I asked the source because it was misleading. There are VERY few, 3%, those who can afford it, that choose to buy private insurance or pay for all of their own health costs. Everyone else is covered by the government plan, operated by the provinces, thus, not having insurance and expecting to pay is by choice, unlike here.

The argument is totally based on profits, the lobbying money proves it. Can you give me any other reason? The only other possible reason must be that the GOP doesn't want another program such as Social Security and Medicare because they fear another program FOR THE PEOPLE, with a Democratic face.
 
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