911 caller in Gates arrest never referred to 'black suspects'

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(CNN) -- The woman who made the 911 call that led to the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. never referred to black suspects when she called authorities for what she thought was a potential break-in.

Police in Cambridge, Massachusetts, released the 911 phone call Monday. In the call, Lucia Whalen reports seeing "two larger men, one looked kind of Hispanic, but I'm not really sure, and the other one entered, and I didn't see what he looked like at all."

"I just saw it from a distance, and this older woman was worried, thinking somebody's breaking in someone's house and they've been barging in," Whalen says. "She interrupted me, and that's when I noticed. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have noticed it at all, to be honest with you. So I was just calling because she was a concerned neighbor, I guess." Video Listen in on the 911 phone call »

Attorney Wendy Murphy, who represents Whalen, also categorically rejected part of the police report that said Whalen talked with Sgt. James Crowley, the arresting officer, at the scene.

"Let me be clear: She never had a conversation with Sgt. Crowley at the scene," Murphy told CNN by phone. "And she never said to any police officer or to anybody 'two black men.' She never used the word 'black.' Period."

She added, "I'm not sure what the police explanation will be. Frankly, I don't care. Her only goal is to make it clear she never described them as black. She never saw their race. ... All she reported was behavior, not skin color."

Calls to the Cambridge Police Department about the issue have not been returned. Police Commissioner Robert Haas told reporters at a news conference Monday that the 911 tape and police transmission from that day "speak for themselves, and I would ask that you form your own opinion." He added that police always ask themselves: "If I had to do it over again, what would I have done differently?"

"This matter is not resolved," Haas said. "We have a long way to go. We recognize that we are going to take advantage of the situation and we're going to learn from it. We're going to move forward."

In the police report, filed by Crowley, he says he spoke with Whalen outside the home before he approached Gates' house.

"She went on to tell me that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch of Ware Street," the report says. "She told me that her suspicions were aroused when she observed one of the men wedging his shoulder into the door as if he was trying to force entry."

Murphy also disputed accounts of her client as a white woman in the traditional sense. "The fact is, she's olive-skinned and of Portuguese descent. You wouldn't look at her and say, necessarily, 'Oh, there's a white woman.' You might think she was Hispanic," Murphy said.

Murphy's comments add yet another layer of intrigue to the July 16 arrest that has prompted heated discussion across the nation on race relations in America, including President Obama weighing in on the issue.

Obama last week first said police "acted stupidly" in arresting Gates after he presented identification that showed he lived in the home. But by Friday, the president said that he had spoken with Crowley and that he didn't mean to malign the Police Department.

The president acknowledged that his words "helped to contribute to ratcheting" up the debate and controversy surrounding the arrest. "I could have calibrated those words differently, and I told this to Sgt. Crowley," Obama said.

Obama spoke about two hours after police unions in Massachusetts called on him to apologize. Obama has invited Crowley and Gates to the White House this week for beer.

Meanwhile, authorities in Cambridge announced they have created a panel to advise police on racial issues as a result of Gates' arrest.

"I am committed to making sure our city is not defined by that day. Today is the day to move forward," City Manager Robert Healy told reporters at Monday's news conference.Video Watch "lessons learned" panel formed »

The committee, led by "nationally recognized experts," will not investigate the arrest of Gates -- one of the nation's most prolific scholars on African-American affairs -- nor will it "make any judgments" on the officers involved, Healy said. The committee "will identify lessons to be taken from the circumstances surrounding the incident" and will advise the Police Department on how "those lessons can be applied" to its policies and practices.

"It's time to move forward and look at lessons learned and go from there," Healy said.

He also weighed in on this week's upcoming meeting in Washington between Gates, Crowley and Obama: "I hope they enjoy their beer at the White House."

Also at the news conference, Cambridge mayor Denise Simmons, who is African-American, said the arrest was a "turning point for the city."

"While this has been a trying time for Cambridge, we are confident that we can ultimately come out stronger and more unified," she said. "We see ourselves as America's classroom."

Speaking to CNN by phone, Murphy said she was trying to clear Whalen's name after she's come under attack by bloggers and in chat rooms, accused of racial profiling when she first called police.
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She said Whalen is "devastated" by such characterizations because she is sensitive about such issues because of her own complexion. Whalen worked down the street and was on her lunch break when she called police.

"She just wants to clear her name. She doesn't want to create more controversy," Murphy said. "She falls outside the plain lines of race, and I think she wanted people to know that."
 
I have run into shit like this repeatedly. Cops saying that people at the scene told them things that once learned would justify their actions. I had a client get beat up because he wanted to know what the cops were doing outside his home on HIS property and he was attacked by the cop. He was 74 years old. The police report said that the people across the street were interviewed and confirmed that my 74 year old client attacked the cop. ONLY THEY NEVER SAID THAT. This cop put in his report that he was told they were black so he could justify his actions. Cause if she said they were black then he was justified in how he acted. He lied in his police report and has been caught and NOTHING else he says should be trusted.
 
She called for an old lady who didn't have a phone. What did the old lady tell the cops when they got there?
 
She called for an old lady who didn't have a phone. What did the old lady tell the cops when they got there?

sheeesh...this just gets better and better....amazing to me how in an age of information how so much is either lost or made up....

so you're saying that crowley could have spoken with this old lady as well or instead of the lady who called...wow
 
sheeesh...this just gets better and better....amazing to me how in an age of information how so much is either lost or made up....

so you're saying that crowley could have spoken with this old lady as well or instead of the lady who called...wow
Definitely. I heard the tape, she kept repeating that she was calling for an old lady who was right there and who thought that somebody might be breaking into the house.
 
I haven't followed this closely, but on closer evaluation, I'm starting to think Obama was right the first time.

This was a stupid fucking arrest.
 
It is funny. Based on the tags at the bottom of this thread I have Google ads that tell me I can look up anyone's arrest warrants for free and that I can meet black singles. Very interesting how the Google Ad works
 
Here's what I don't get... Let's say Crowley went to the address to investigate the 911 call, and upon encountering Mr. Gates at the door, took him for his word he was the owner of the property and left... then, let's say... I know it's a real stretch here... but just by chance, let's say that Gates wasn't really Gates, he was a real live burglar! And Crowley left, assuming that the owner had confirmed he owned the home. The burglar finishes cleaning out the residence and Professor Gates returns to find his home ransacked. He then discovers the police were actually there as the crime was being committed, and left! What would his response be? What would the public's response be? Would you all be okay with it? Would Prof. Gates have understood, and not held it against the police for not protecting his place? Please tell me what the fuck you would have said, if the man who claimed to be Gates had been a burglar, and the cops believed him and left the scene?
 
Here's what I don't get... Let's say Crowley went to the address to investigate the 911 call, and upon encountering Mr. Gates at the door, took him for his word he was the owner of the property and left... then, let's say... I know it's a real stretch here... but just by chance, let's say that Gates wasn't really Gates, he was a real live burglar! And Crowley left, assuming that the owner had confirmed he owned the home. The burglar finishes cleaning out the residence and Professor Gates returns to find his home ransacked. He then discovers the police were actually there as the crime was being committed, and left! What would his response be? What would the public's response be? Would you all be okay with it? Would Prof. Gates have understood, and not held it against the police for not protecting his place? Please tell me what the fuck you would have said, if the man who claimed to be Gates had been a burglar, and the cops believed him and left the scene?
Or imagine that two men entered the home when Gates was at home, and he and his driver were held against their will. If the cops didn't enter when Gates answered and just took his word for it they could never ascertain what the situation was inside the house.

The safest place for the occupants of the house was outside while they ascertained the situation.
 
Or imagine that two men entered the home when Gates was at home, and he and his driver were held against their will. If the cops didn't enter when Gates answered and just took his word for it they could never ascertain what the situation was inside the house.

The safest place for the occupants of the house was outside while they ascertained the situation.

EXACTLY! The officer followed correct police protocol and did what he was trained to do in that particular situation. The uppity professor was the one who brought "race" into it, and became irate and belligerent with the police, who were just doing their job. Since then, every pinhead liberal in the country has jumped on this stupid "racist" bandwagon, not giving the first thought to the facts or the potential consequences, had the officer done anything other than what he did. It's a good illustration of just what the hell is wrong with race relations in America, a bunch of hypersensitive ninnies spewing reverse-racism and false outrage over nothing.
 
I have run into shit like this repeatedly. Cops saying that people at the scene told them things that once learned would justify their actions. I had a client get beat up because he wanted to know what the cops were doing outside his home on HIS property and he was attacked by the cop. He was 74 years old. The police report said that the people across the street were interviewed and confirmed that my 74 year old client attacked the cop. ONLY THEY NEVER SAID THAT. This cop put in his report that he was told they were black so he could justify his actions. Cause if she said they were black then he was justified in how he acted. He lied in his police report and has been caught and NOTHING else he says should be trusted.

Absolutely right. Here's a link to the transcript, the woman didn't say anything about one of them being black.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/27/raw-data-transcript-cambridge/

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Umm, well there were two larger men, one looked kind of Hispanic but I'm not really sure. And the other one entered and I didn't see what he looked like at all. I just saw it from a distance and this older woman was worried thinking someone's breaking in someone's house, they've been barging in. And she interrupted me and that's when I had noticed otherwise I probably wouldn't have noticed it at all, to be honest with you. So, I was just calling 'cause she was a concerned neighbor, I guess.
 
Or imagine that two men entered the home when Gates was at home, and he and his driver were held against their will.

If the cops didn't enter when Gates answered and just took his word for it they could never ascertain what the situation was inside the house.

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Admittedly, I haven't followed this nonsense closely because I don't give a crap. But, didn't the professor show the cops identification proving who he was and that it was his house?
 
Admittedly, I haven't followed this nonsense closely because I don't give a crap. But, didn't the professor show the cops identification proving who he was and that it was his house?
He did, after the cops entered. I think he was most upset that they did enter, and that first they asked him to exit.

I'm just telling you why this is procedure. They do not know the situation inside the house, it is best if you can get them to come outside, but if they refuse you must enter and ascertain the situation inside the house for the reason I listed above (this is from my BIL, a Denver cop). Once inside the house and after some altercation he gave the identification (first his Harvard ID which did not list his address, later his state ID which did), at that time the cops were leaving but he followed and continued to berate them.

From what I read on the report he was most upset that they entered his house without his permission, but they also had no choice in the matter, once they showed up for that call they were going into that house, they had probable cause.
 
And imagine if the call that came in, was flimsy in its details and the cop MAKES UP a story where he says the woman that called said that two black men when in the house when in reality she didn't. She, through her attorney says she didn't and the cop wrote his lie down in an official police report. Imagine he did all this to cover up the fact that when he saw a black man in the house he immediately assumed he was the bad guy and he KNEW that if lied about the woman saying the "men breaking in" were black no one would question his need to be Assholio the Cop.
 
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