911 caller in Gates arrest never referred to 'black suspects'

Socrtease said:
And imagine if the call that came in, was flimsy in its details and the cop MAKES UP a story where he says the woman that called said that two black men when in the house when in reality she didn't. She, through her attorney says she didn't and the cop wrote his lie down in an official police report. Imagine he did all this to cover up the fact that when he saw a black man in the house he immediately assumed he was the bad guy and he KNEW that if lied about the woman saying the "men breaking in" were black no one would question his need to be Assholio the Cop.
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Or what if the old lady referenced in the call actually said that? And what if the dispatcher did?

I still don't have all the facts, nor do you.
 
I read the transcript of the call. She NEVER said black men. The cop lied on his report and still people want to defend his actions. There was nothing in any of this that indicates to the cop that the "bad guys" could be black.
 
Socrtease said:
I read the transcript of the call. She NEVER said black men. The cop lied on his report and still people want to defend his actions. There was nothing in any of this that indicates to the cop that the "bad guys" could be black.
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Again, you read the transcript of the call where she repeatedly said she was making a call for an old lady that was right there and concerned.

There was no transcript of what the dispatcher said over the radio. So that isn't in evidence but you seem sure that he never said "may be two black" when he made the call. You also do not know what the old lady said ever, or may have said to the cop when he arrived.

I heard the dispatcher ask her if the guys were black. Did you? She hadn't offered information on that at that time yet he may already have decided.
 
Dixie said:
Here's what I don't get... Let's say Crowley went to the address to investigate the 911 call, and upon encountering Mr. Gates at the door, took him for his word he was the owner of the property and left... then, let's say... I know it's a real stretch here... but just by chance, let's say that Gates wasn't really Gates, he was a real live burglar! And Crowley left, assuming that the owner had confirmed he owned the home. The burglar finishes cleaning out the residence and Professor Gates returns to find his home ransacked. He then discovers the police were actually there as the crime was being committed, and left! What would his response be? What would the public's response be? Would you all be okay with it? Would Prof. Gates have understood, and not held it against the police for not protecting his place? Please tell me what the fuck you would have said, if the man who claimed to be Gates had been a burglar, and the cops believed him and left the scene?
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How many burglars would stop to answer the door when a cop came and remain claim enough not to create suspicion, it is a stretch!

Gates probably would have been upset, it is a lose, lose situation and why doesn't the old lady neighbor know what her neighbors look like? Seems she peeks out her window and is nosy enough!
 
Damocles said:
Again, you read the transcript of the call where she repeatedly said she was making a call for an old lady that was right there and concerned.

There was no transcript of what the dispatcher said over the radio. So that isn't in evidence but you seem sure that he never said "may be two black" when he made the call. You also do not know what the old lady said ever, or may have said to the cop when he arrived.

I heard the dispatcher ask her if the guys were black. Did you? She hadn't offered information on that at that time yet he may already have decided.
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the officer claims in his police report that he spoke to Whalen when he arrived on the scene, she denies this in the original article that I posted, saying she never spoke to him and that she NEVER said the word black.

"Let me be clear: She never had a conversation with Sgt. Crowley at the scene," Murphy told CNN by phone. "And she never said to any police officer or to anybody 'two black men.' She never used the word 'black.' Period."
 
Socrtease said:
the officer claims in his police report that he spoke to Whalen when he arrived on the scene, she denies this in the original article that I posted, saying she never spoke to him and that she NEVER said the word black.

"Let me be clear: She never had a conversation with Sgt. Crowley at the scene," Murphy told CNN by phone. "And she never said to any police officer or to anybody 'two black men.' She never used the word 'black.' Period."
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I agree with that, but I think it may be mistaken identity, that the old lady may have spoken to him and he assumed it was the person who made the call.

Without all of the information, including what both witnesses said to whom and when, and the tape of the dispatcher on the radio we cannot be sure that what you say is even likely. Now if we find that the cop never spoke to either, and the dispatcher was faithful in his reporting what was said rather than his suspicion, then we could draw some conclusions.

At this time none of us have all the information. And if we used the information you have currently to draw conclusions and "convict" somebody we would be making a mistake, there is very clearly a reasonable doubt.
 
In his report he says that the woman on the phone identified herself when he got that as Linda Whalen and she said there were two black men in the house with back packs. His own report fries him. He lied, he knows he lied, and now so do all of us.
 
Socrtease said:
here is his police report.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/07/23/0498.001.pdf
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Again.

If he walked up and spoke to the old lady quickly in passing, assumed it was the 911 caller, then looked up her name and added it to the report would you maybe be making a bad assumption?

If the dispatcher was not perfect in reporting what was said, but instead added his own suspicion could it be possible the cop was telling the truth, except for the mistaken identity of the caller vs. the old lady?

We don't have all the information.
 
Damocles said:
Again.

If he walked up and spoke to the old lady quickly in passing, assumed it was the 911 caller, then looked up her name and added it to the report would you maybe be making a bad assumption?

If the dispatcher was not perfect in reporting what was said, but instead added his own suspicion could it be possible the cop was telling the truth, except for the mistaken identity of the caller vs. the old lady?

We don't have all the information.
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in his own report he calls her the person later identified as Whalen. So it wasn't the old lady.
 
Damocles said:
Again.

If he walked up and spoke to the old lady quickly in passing, assumed it was the 911 caller, then looked up her name and added it to the report would you maybe be making a bad assumption?

If the dispatcher was not perfect in reporting what was said, but instead added his own suspicion could it be possible the cop was telling the truth, except for the mistaken identity of the caller vs. the old lady?

We don't have all the information.
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the report does put her age at 40....

one thing i don't get, is at this point, it appears it is a he said/she said as he claims she told him that at the scene as she standing on the sidewalk, not in her house as when making the phone call....did she ever deny making those statements in person or just on the 911 call?
 
Socrtease said:
in his own report he calls her the person later identified as Whalen. So it wasn't the old lady.
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Again, if he simply didn't get the ID, knew he should have, in order to add the name looked up the caller from the 911 report, he could have simply had a case of mistaken identity.

Cops are people and they are not always perfect. But that doesn't mean that he is lying about any other portion of the report except the identity of the witness he spoke to at the scene.

You and I both know that there is reasonable doubt here. If he were on trial and you were the prosecutor you'd be losing and he'd be getting off if this was all the evidence you had.
 
Yurt said:
the report does put her age at 40....

one thing i don't get, is at this point, it appears it is a he said/she said as he claims she told him that at the scene as she standing on the sidewalk, not in her house as when making the phone call....did she ever deny making those statements in person or just on the 911 call?
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Sheesh, this thing gets more convoluted as each story about it is released.
 
Yurt said:
the report does put her age at 40....

one thing i don't get, is at this point, it appears it is a he said/she said as he claims she told him that at the scene as she standing on the sidewalk, not in her house as when making the phone call....did she ever deny making those statements in person or just on the 911 call?
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Her lawyer made a press announcement about how "My client never referred to race."
 
Damocles said:
Again, if he simply didn't get the ID, knew he should have, in order to add the name looked up the caller from the 911 report, he could have simply had a case of mistaken identity.

Cops are people and they are not always perfect. But that doesn't mean that he is lying about any other portion of the report except the identity of the witness he spoke to at the scene.

You and I both know that there is reasonable doubt here. If he were on trial and you were the prosecutor you'd be losing and he'd be getting off if this was all the evidence you had.
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I read that the officers were leaving Gates home and he followed them outside and he began screaming racial slurs to them. They told him to stop, but he wouldn't. That's when he was arrested. He's a racist jerk.
 
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