Conyers: “There is no one more disappointed than I am in Barack Obama.”

SmarterThanYou said:
so it's ok to be a reverse racist?
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It's not the "reverse" of "racism. Minority ethnic groups banding together to defend there interests and prevent domination from the dominant ethnic group is common all throughout the world. The situation is clearly different, and your being willfully ignorant in pretending the difference doesn't exist.
 
Darla said:
There is one. It's called The Senate.
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Watermark said:
It's not the "reverse" of "racism. Minority ethnic groups banding together to defend there interests and prevent domination from the dominant ethnic group is common all throughout the world. The situation is clearly different, and your being willfully ignorant in pretending the difference doesn't exist.
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so I could put together a group of people to defend our mutual interests and you wouldn't have any issue with that?
 
Dungheap said:
There's nothing wrong with criticism from the left. There should be more of it. The biggest problem with the Democrats generally is that they always start from a compromise position whereas Republicans start from an extreme position. And on top of it criticims always come from the right moving the compromise position to an even more right-ward position.

Taking single-payer off the table from the start was a miscalculation.
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That is from your perspective. This healthcare bill started out on the far left... which is why the far left loved it and the more centrist blue dogs didn't.
 
Watermark said:
Gun nuts?

It wouldn't be all that original, though.
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but you'd obviously have a problem with it then, evidenced by your 'gun nut' remark.

That's too bad, actually, because my 'group' wouldn't all be one race.

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My group would be all about equality.

so why do people have to group together by color again? :dunno:
 
Superfreak said:
That is from your perspective. This healthcare bill started out on the far left... which is why the far left loved it and the more centrist blue dogs didn't.
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Obviously it is from my perspective. And the healthcare bill didn't really start out from the far left. It started out on the left side of things for sure but not the far left. A far left bill would have looked like something akin to Medicare for all. The current proposal is a far far cry from that.
 
Dungheap said:
Obviously it is from my perspective. And the healthcare bill didn't really start out from the far left. It started out on the left side of things for sure but not the far left. A far left bill would have looked like something akin to Medicare for all. The current proposal is a far far cry from that.
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If it wasn't far left then why did the so called progressives approve and the more centrist Dems hate it?

Medicare is a friggin bomb... just ticking away... yet some people think it would be a good idea to have everyone under such a system. Hell, it is only a few dozen trillion dollars underfunded right now. Whats a few dozen more?
 
Watermark said:
Do you not see any reason for minority groups to band together for their interests?

What would be the point of forming a white caucus besides establishing dominance over the minorities?

The situations are clearly different.
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White individuals need to band together for their interests. Even more than minorities.

Minority race activists have gotten so insane that they don't realize they're depriving white individuals of constitutional protections.

Revenge is not a sound basis for public policy.
 
Watermark said:
It's not the "reverse" of "racism. Minority ethnic groups banding together to defend there interests and prevent domination from the dominant ethnic group is common all throughout the world. The situation is clearly different, and your being willfully ignorant in pretending the difference doesn't exist.
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calling everything reverse racism is the new "calling card for white trash america".
 
Onceler said:
BAC - how is it possible to not understand the political & economic realities of this situation?

Even with the compromises, the bill will LIKELY fail. Now, you can say, why should he compromise then? He's got the majority...take the perfect bill & ram it down their throats. Two words for you: BLUE DOG.

That is just reality, and I'm tired of NOTHING being done on healthcare because people DO let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The perfect, in this case, is revolutionary reform. Since the '90's debacle, I have felt, and will likely always feel, that this can only be accomplished incrementally in this country.
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And thus it must be fought as if each step is the end result.
 
Watermark said:
And the funny thing here is that it isn't going to be the liberals in their cozy districts losing their seats to Republicans. Nope, it's going to be the traitors in the center who vote it down.
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you mean those conservative Democrats you got elected in conservative districts?.....damn them for being conservative....don't they know any better?.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you mean those conservative Democrats you got elected in conservative districts?.....damn them for being conservative....don't they know any better?.....
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Give people a choice between a fake Republican and a real Republican and they'll choose the real Republican every time. The problem is that if this healthcare reform goes down, it's going to hit Democrats across the board, and the Democrats who voted against it are going to get hit the hardest.
 
The most idiotic are the ones just demanding that something be done. You people are seriously fucking moronic. Onceler, water"gerber", this means you. You two are truly brainwashed fascist fucktards.
 
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