54% Oppose Afghan War

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The rest of the country finally catches up to the DFH's. When you are right first, people, especially the MSM, resent you.

But you were still right. First.

Forty-one percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday say they favor the war in Afghanistan -- down 9 points from May, when CNN polling suggested that half of the public supported the war.

Fifty-four percent say they oppose the war in Afghanistan, up 6 points from May.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/06/poll.afghanistan/

 

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Obama is taking as shit on the anti war movement.

 

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The rest of the country finally catches up to the DFH's. When you are right first, people, especially the MSM, resent you.

But you were still right. First.

Forty-one percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday say they favor the war in Afghanistan -- down 9 points from May, when CNN polling suggested that half of the public supported the war.

Fifty-four percent say they oppose the war in Afghanistan, up 6 points from May.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/06/poll.afghanistan/

This simply shows that 54% of the population are morons. What do they expect us to do? Allow the taliban to regain control of Afghanistan? Because that is exactly what would happen if we left.

If that happens, how long do you think a NUCLEAR capable Pakistan would last? They already have minimal control over the northern portion of their country.

 

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This simply shows that 54% of the population are morons. What do they expect us to do? Allow the taliban to regain control of Afghanistan? Because that is exactly what would happen if we left.

If that happens, how long do you think a NUCLEAR capable Pakistan would last? They already have minimal control over the northern portion of their country.

As with most things in life, it's certainly a situation that was easier to get into than get out of, however, how long did NUCLEAR capable Pakistan last when the Taliban had control of Afghanistan?

Unlike some of my anti-war friends, I do not think it was possible to pull out of Afghanistan immediately. However, I suspect that President Obama is going to have us out of there by the end of his first term. If I'm wrong about him, then this fiasco is going to destroy his Presidency eventually. It'll be an LBJ thing all over again. But we'll see. It's heartening to find out that a majority of Americans now support our ending this occupation. that's a good start.

 

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As with most things in life, it's certainly a situation that was easier to get into than get out of, however, how long did NUCLEAR capable Pakistan last when the Taliban had control of Afghanistan?

Unlike some of my anti-war friends, I do not think it was possible to pull out of Afghanistan immediately. However, I suspect that President Obama is going to have us out of there by the end of his first term. If I'm wrong about him, then this fiasco is going to destroy his Presidency eventually. It'll be an LBJ thing all over again. But we'll see. It's heartening to find out that a majority of Americans now support our ending this occupation. that's a good start.

There is a huge difference between now and then. Prior to the war in Afghanistan, Pakistan was one of the countries that actually recognized them as legitimate leaders of the country. Now, eight years later... Pakistan has been one of the key players trying to help the US get rid of the Taliban. Just a hunch... but I doubt they go back to being friends.

The difference in Afghanistan right now is that Bush lacked the focus to bring it to a resolution. Obama has introduced more troops to the campaign and that is likely why we are seeing Taliban attacks increase. They saw what troop strength did in Iraq and they know they have a limited time to try to intimidate the American public into quitting.

That said, I do think it will be over by the end of Obama's first term and it will end up helping him in the polls. IF his healthcare and cap/trade fiascos don't crush him first... then he should win re-election.

 

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As for the public... I find it very discouraging that 54% don't support the War. Because that says to me they are not thinking this through, but rather reacting based on emotion... and rarely is that ever going to lead to a good/sound decision.

 

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In retrospect, we never should have invaded Afghanistan to begin with.

Now that we are in there, all of your doomsday scenarios may be unavoidable. But we really won't know until we leave. I prefer we do that sooner rather than later.

Whether you like it or not, we inflict civilian casualties every week. It doesn't help.

 

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In retrospect, we never should have invaded Afghanistan to begin with.

Now that we are in there, all of your doomsday scenarios may be unavoidable. But we really won't know until we leave. I prefer we do that sooner rather than later.

Whether you like it or not, we inflict civilian casualties every week. It doesn't help.

1) I could not disagree with you more on the we never should have invaded. We should have and we should have remained focused on Afghanistan until it was done.

2) True, we do not know how things will be after we are gone until we actually leave. Thanks captain obvious.

3) Yes, civilians get caught up in war and many die as a result. But like it or not, it is the Taliban that deliberately targets civilians and the civilians know it. They also know what things will be like if the US leaves before the Taliban is destroyed.

 

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I have mixed feeling on the whole thing. When I am with men from Vets for Peace, well, let's use this one man I know as an example. I know that he is a big bs faux feminist. He has no respect for women and he watches all kinds of disgusting porn online. We were at a panel discussion and there were two women activists from Afghanistan there, both of whom wanted the US out of there immediately. So does the guy from the vfp. The women say that they will take care of the Taliban, and I asked, how? You never did before. I was shouted down. Mostly by my vfp friend who says that real feminists let women solve their own problems blah blah blah. But I know that the only thing he cares about is what he calls "the children" we send over to fight. He is such a pathetic bastard that when we went to see Redacted, he was crying over the soldier, or "child" who witnessed the gang rape and murder of a fifteen year old, and the murder of her entire family by US troops, and who now had "ptsd" because he saw it. Didn't do anything to stop it. So, those people annoy me and I fight with them quite often.

however, the bottom line is, our invasion and occupation has slaughtered a tremendous number of people who were nothign but poor dirt farmers basically, the world's poorest really, and who had nothing to do with 9/11. So in retrospect, an invasion was not the answer.

This does not mean we should have "apologized to the terrorists" or done nothing.

It means we should have done something else, that's all.

That's my opinion. Reached after years of this war, and listening to everyone from one extreme to the other.

 

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The rest of the country finally catches up to the DFH's. When you are right first, people, especially the MSM, resent you.

But you were still right. First.

Forty-one percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday say they favor the war in Afghanistan -- down 9 points from May, when CNN polling suggested that half of the public supported the war.

Fifty-four percent say they oppose the war in Afghanistan, up 6 points from May.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/06/poll.afghanistan/

As history has clearly demonstrated my wise sister, the left is usually always the ones who get it right first. As much as the right loves to pose as champions of "freedom", it's the left that makes it happen. That lesson can be told and CLEARLY demonstrated from Madison and Jefferson to King and beyond. And, when the wind and the tide blows strong enough, the center will find the courage to follow the footsteps of the left.

History CLEARLY demonstrates this truth.

Wars cannot be won without warriors.

 

[blackascoal]

The question of Afghanistan is yet another clear example of, as Bill Maher has put it, "America is a stupid country."

QUICK .. Somebody tell me what we're doing there and what is the mission?

What is the mission?

Americans are invented and easily cointrolled people.

 

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The question of Afghanistan is yet another clear example of, as Bill Maher has put it, "America is a stupid country."

QUICK .. Somebody tell me what we're doing there and what is the mission?

What is the mission?

Americans are invented and easily cointrolled people.

Yeah, I think that's why people are finally coming around to wanting out. We really dont know what we're doing there or what the mission is.

 

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The question of Afghanistan is yet another clear example of, as Bill Maher has put it, "America is a stupid country."

QUICK .. Somebody tell me what we're doing there and what is the mission?

What is the mission?

Americans are invented and easily cointrolled people.

I'm coming around to your camp BAC. I read this statistic the other day:

US expenditure budget for Afghanistan this year is to be $65 billion; I’m not sure how much NATO and other countries add to that. The US budget alone is more than 5 times the Afghan GDP of $12.5B ($400 per capita).

If this were about getting OBL and routing the Taliban I'm sure as shit that simply bribing locals for about half of Afghanistan's total GDP ($6.6 billion or so) would go a whole hell of a lot further to advance our interests that the current $65 billion we're spending on whatever it is we're spending it on.

Unless, of course, routing the Taliban and getting OBL are convenient pretexts for our perpetual presence in Afghanistan.

 

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The question of Afghanistan is yet another clear example of, as Bill Maher has put it, "America is a stupid country."

QUICK .. Somebody tell me what we're doing there and what is the mission?

What is the mission?

Americans are invented and easily cointrolled people.

1) The mission is to ensure the Taliban do not retake control and to destroy as much of Al Queda as we can.

2) Bush fucked this all up by entering Iraq when he did. He took the short term gains we had in 2002 and pretended they would last. Then we got bogged down in Iraq and could not spare the troops when Afghanistan saw the re-emergence of the Taliban in force.

3) Pulling out now would be the absolute worst thing we could do. The Afghan troops are not prepared to deal with Al Queda and the Taliban and would likely loose control quickly. With the stronghold in northern Pakistan that would likely also threaten the Pakistani government. We can not allow this to occur.

4) Bill Maher is an idiot.

 

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I'm coming around to your camp BAC. I read this statistic the other day:




If this were about getting OBL and routing the Taliban I'm sure as shit that simply bribing locals for about half of Afghanistan's total GDP ($6.6 billion or so) would go a whole hell of a lot further to advance our interests that the current $65 billion we're spending on whatever it is we're spending it on.

Unless, of course, routing the Taliban and getting OBL are convenient pretexts for our perpetual presence in Afghanistan.

BINGO

It's been the pretext from day one .. and there are few things in life more clear than that truth.

Pipeline .. ever heard your leaders talking about pipelines? .. Clinton, Bush, Obama?

Why do you think we gave the Georgian president one billion US taxpayer dollars for his 54 minute attack on Russia which got lots of his own people killed?

Pipeline.

The US military has been turned into glamorized security guards for American business.

Here's the deeper question .. if our presence in Afghanistan is a pretext .. what was 9/11?

That question is much too deep for American minds.

 

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Supertool your not willing to go and you have no son to send. Fuckyou and Afghanistan.

 

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In retrospect, we never should have invaded Afghanistan to begin with.

Now that we are in there, all of your doomsday scenarios may be unavoidable. But we really won't know until we leave. I prefer we do that sooner rather than later.

Whether you like it or not, we inflict civilian casualties every week. It doesn't help.

Wow rare that I do this, but you are so wrong here. Sometimes war can't be helped. When we first entered Afghanistan we kicked the shit out of the Taliban, then SF and Damo's president dropped the ball and went to a country that had nothing to do with 9-11. We have to go back in and we have to crush the taliban. The Afghan people don't like them even more than they don't like us. When we left Karzi (sp) alone he had to soften his stance toward the Taliban and now they are back. It is sad that war kills civilians, but I think that lots of peace advocates think that Soldiers don't feel that. Speaking as a former soldier, they do, very deeply. Leaving the Afghan people to the harsh treatment of the Taliban is on par with what we did to the Kurds after the first Gulf War. I helped train a company of Kurdish fighters prior to that and I know that most of them probably died because of our abandoning them after we promised to help them. Maybe we shouldn't have gone there but we did, and as the sign in the antique store says, "You break it, you buy it." We have a moral obligation to the people of Afghanistan to gut this out and finish the job.

 

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1) The mission is to ensure the Taliban do not retake control and to destroy as much of Al Queda as we can.

We've been there how long?

How do you destroy a tactic?

Is the mission to attempt to destroy tactics all over the world .. because wasn't Al Queda supposed to be in Iraq? .. or was that Somalia? .. was it Pakistan? .. Is the mission planning on destroying tactics in Pakistan as well?

The mission you propose is stupid as fuck, has no chance of accomplishment, and won't work any better in Afghanistan than it did in Iraq or Vietnam .. and, and, and .. it's been totally repudiated by the Rand Corporation as a fraud.

2) Bush fucked this all up by entering Iraq when he did. He took the short term gains we had in 2002 and pretended they would last. Then we got bogged down in Iraq and could not spare the troops when Afghanistan saw the re-emergence of the Taliban in force.

Bush and his crew knew EXACTLY what they were doiing when they went into Afghanistan and Iraq. Who was stupid enough to believe we could send the military in to destroy some criminals and it would work.

Exactly how long did you believe we were going to keep troops in Afghan istan to prevent the re-emergence of the Taliban?

3) Pulling out now would be the absolute worst thing we could do. The Afghan troops are not prepared to deal with Al Queda and the Taliban and would likely loose control quickly. With the stronghold in northern Pakistan that would likely also threaten the Pakistani government. We can not allow this to occur.

Same dumb shit they said about Iraq and Vietnam.

At what point do we grow up?

If the future of the Afghan government is entirely dependent upon large numbers of American forces dying there and occupying their country, then Afghanistan is ddomed to extinction .. however, what you suggest is far from the truth and Afghanistan has survived many so-called liberators such as the US.

4) Bill Maher is an idiot.

You're free to believe whatever you want

 

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BINGO

It's been the pretext from day one .. and there are few things in life more clear than that truth.

Pipeline .. ever heard your leaders talking about pipelines? .. Clinton, Bush, Obama?

Why do you think we gave the Georgian president one billion US taxpayer dollars for his 54 minute attack on Russia which got lots of his own people killed?

Pipeline.

The US military has been turned into glamorized security guards for American business.

Here's the deeper question .. if our presence in Afghanistan is a pretext .. what was 9/11?

That question is much too deep for American minds.

Please, not the idiotic PIPELINE crap again. How many times do you have to be debunked on that stupidity?

you don't even comprehend the TYPE of pipeline, let alone the fact that it benefits Pakistan and Turkmenistan with a side revenue stream for Afghanistan.

 

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We just killed the leader over in Pakistan- I wonder what effect this will have on the polls.