Why are we still debating the climate?

Great response. The focus around the debate has been what we disagree on - which, I guess, is what makes it a debate.

But we all agree that we want clean air & water, and a sustainable environment. People might define that in different ways, but it's at least a starting point.

While most people complain about the lack of clean air and water, people like me actually do something about it. I make instrumentation for things like wastewater treatment plants that actually DO reduce harmful products in the effluent.
 
A crisis that is unique in human history when 24 hour news channels have nothing interesting to report and need to boost their ratings.
Congratulations! You have actually managed to declare a valid definition of 'climate crisis'. Of course, I'm not sure the Holy Religious Order of the Church of Global Warming is going to agree with you, but since they have never offered a valid definition, you beat them to it, and as far as I'm concerned is the only definition. :thumbsup:
Not really a crisis at the moment because we have:
a. Jan. 6, Jan. 6, Jan. 6
b. Record # of COVID cases ( irrelevant that they are mild and will create herd immunity)
c. Right wing domestic terrorism is a dire threat to our society and way of life.
They are ALL a crisis of the moment (according to these same religious believers). The Church of Global Warming and the Church of Covid as well as the chants of "Satan's army" on Jan 6th is all coming from the same people: Democrats.
 
AGW is a distraction to me. It's the shiny object in the climate "debate." It allows detractors to focus on something unproveable, and ignore the larger crisis that is near a tipping point.

We are losing whole ecosystems at this point. We're in the middle of a mass extinction (and unlike AGW, that one is on us, without a doubt). We're losing habitat, drinkable water & breathable air at alarming rates.

None of this is even remotely sustainable, even for another decade. People used to talk about preserving the planet for our children & our children's children - but this is about us just as much as anyone.

We can't possibly be this shortsighted and careless. This is a crisis, and it's the most important and impactful crisis we have. Without a habitable planet, all of the other issues are meaningless.

This shouldn't be political. This should be the top priority for both parties, and for every world leader.

Since 1970, someone has been telling me that the planet is either cooling off or heating up at an “unsustainable rate”. Since al gore started flapping his jaws about it, this claim is usually accompanied by the ominous warning that we only have 10 years to fix it. All the while, we have virtually ignored the looming specter of maximum sustainable population. Google it. Hundreds of studies done on the maximum sustainable human population of the earth from the 1600s to today. The max ranges from 500 million(probably from early studies)to more than 100 BILLION! But the majority(24) of these studies put the number at 8.8 billion. Guess where we are now? +/-7.5 billion. Little wonder it’s getting a little stuffy in here.

Don’t blame nature for it! She’s trying her best to knock out as many of us as possible! Wanna help her out? Go out and kiss a COVID infected crack whore full on the lips. Maybe frolic with a bunch of unvaccinated republicans at a Trump ‘24 rally.

Just let it go. There’s nothing anyone can do about any of this right now, and incompetent democrats have enough man-made BS to deal with.
 
Great response. The focus around the debate has been what we disagree on - which, I guess, is what makes it a debate.

But we all agree that we want clean air & water, and a sustainable environment. People might define that in different ways, but it's at least a starting point.

sure man.

so many hunters and 2a people are sincere nature and conservation enthusiasts.
 
Into the Night Soil
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You can't create energy out of nothing.

So where did it come from ?
 
Let's be honest. Republicans always attack science and progress. Stem cells, evolution, global warming, virology.... You name it, they attack it.
 
Since 1970, someone has been telling me that the planet is either cooling off or heating up at an “unsustainable rate”. Since al gore started flapping his jaws about it, this claim is usually accompanied by the ominous warning that we only have 10 years to fix it. All the while, we have virtually ignored the looming specter of maximum sustainable population. Google it. Hundreds of studies done on the maximum sustainable human population of the earth from the 1600s to today. The max ranges from 500 million(probably from early studies)to more than 100 BILLION! But the majority(24) of these studies put the number at 8.8 billion. Guess where we are now? +/-7.5 billion. Little wonder it’s getting a little stuffy in here.

Don’t blame nature for it! She’s trying her best to knock out as many of us as possible! Wanna help her out? Go out and kiss a COVID infected crack whore full on the lips. Maybe frolic with a bunch of unvaccinated republicans at a Trump ‘24 rally.

Just let it go. There’s nothing anyone can do about any of this right now, and incompetent democrats have enough man-made BS to deal with.

The polar ice caps have shrunken 50% since 1980.
 
do you have god all figured out?

Yes.
The human species is violently insane, destructive of the Garden of Eden and capable of obliterating itself and all other creatures along with it.
The concept of an over-ruling deity serves to blunt the worst of its accesses and so provide time and space for it to attempt to cure itself. Enter investigative science.
Maybe we'll find the cure- and the soothing possibilities of religion might just keep the lid on until we do- but don't stuff it up the telescope.
 
Yes.
The human species is violently insane, destructive of the Garden of Eden and capable of obliterating itself and all other creatures along with it.
The concept of an over-ruling deity serves to blunt the worst of its accesses and so provide time and space for it to attempt to cure itself. Enter investigative science.
Maybe we'll find the cure- and the soothing possibilities of religion might just keep the lid on until we do- but don't stuff it up the telescope.

climate activists are just huge liars, mostly.
 
AGW is a distraction to me. It's the shiny object in the climate "debate." It allows detractors to focus on something unproveable, and ignore the larger crisis that is near a tipping point.

We are losing whole ecosystems at this point. We're in the middle of a mass extinction (and unlike AGW, that one is on us, without a doubt). We're losing habitat, drinkable water & breathable air at alarming rates.

None of this is even remotely sustainable, even for another decade. People used to talk about preserving the planet for our children & our children's children - but this is about us just as much as anyone.

We can't possibly be this shortsighted and careless. This is a crisis, and it's the most important and impactful crisis we have. Without a habitable planet, all of the other issues are meaningless.

This shouldn't be political. This should be the top priority for both parties, and for every world leader.

how about this......instead of trying to put tens of thousands of people out of work in an attempt to force change our entire method of electric production, you do something practical.....clean up just one square mile of those floating plastic islands in the Pacific......then we will know you're serious about the environment and we'll talk....
 
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So many fucking idiots spouting bullshit about climate. Barfly Effete is one of the worst alongside McMoonshi'te and Reagan's Gobshite of course, stupidity is baked in with these arsewipes.


Today’s Soaring Energy Prices Are Only The Beginning

Energy prices are soaring, and it’s likely a sign of things to come.

The rise can be blamed on a variety of things, including the demand rebound after the lockdowns ended, a drop in renewable electricity output from a lack of wind in Europe during most of 2021, and increasingly costly climate policies.

But while the pandemic will end and the wind will blow again, climate policies to achieve “net-zero” emissions will keep hiking prices.

Barack Obama acknowledged in 2008 that electricity prices “would necessarily skyrocket” under his proposed climate policies. He was more candid than many of today’s politicians and advocates.

Limiting the use of fossil fuels requires making them more expensive and pushing people toward green alternatives that remain pricier and less efficient.

In the U.K., real electricity prices have doubled since 2003, after dropping fivefold over the 20th century. British climate policy had already added more than £10 billion annually to the national electricity bill by 2020.

Even before last year’s energy price hikes, 50 million to 80 million people in the European Union couldn’t afford to heat their homes sufficiently.

That’s likely to get worse, as this year European energy bills are expected to increase by almost $400 billion.

And in the U.S., gasoline prices soared to a seven-year high in October, while gas heating is predicted to be 30% more expensive this winter than the previous one.

Costs will continue to rise if politicians remain bent on achieving net-zero emissions globally. Bank of America finds that achieving net-zero globally by 2050 will cost $150 trillion over 30 years—almost twice the combined annual gross domestic product of every country on earth.

The annual cost ($5 trillion) is more than all the world’s governments and households spend every year on education. Academic studies find the policy is even costlier.

The largest database on climate scenarios shows that keeping temperature rises to 2 degrees Celsius—a less stringent policy than net-zero by midcentury—would likely cost $8.3 trillion, or 3.3% of world GDP, every year by 2050, and the costs keep escalating so that by the end of the century taxpayers will have paid about $1 quadrillion—a thousand trillion—in total.

These estimates are based on the heroic assumption that climate policy costs will be spread efficiently, with big emitters China and India cutting the most.

New Delhi says it will only keep moving toward net-zero if the rest of the world pays it $1 trillion by 2030, which won’t happen. Other developing nations are showing the same understandable reluctance.

This means that achieving global net-zero emissions by 2050 will be impossible. Those cuts that are enforced will most likely occur in rich countries, taking a smaller notch out of global emissions at a high cost.

Though the EU, the U.K., the U.S., and others have adopted national net-zero emissions goals, few have undertaken rigorous cost estimates. The official independent assessment done in New Zealand shows achieving net-zero by midcentury will cost 16% of its GDP annually by 2050.

That is more than its entire current budget for social security, welfare, health, education, police, courts, defense, and the environment—combined.

For the U.S., one recent study in Nature found reducing emissions by only 80% by 2050 will cost more than $2.1 trillion in today’s money annually by midcentury. That is more than $5,000 per American a year.

The cost of achieving 100% reductions would be far higher. And this study assumes reductions will be carried out in the most efficient way possible—namely using a single national, steadily increasing carbon tax—but that’s unlikely, and with less-than-ideal policies, the price would be still higher.

Climate activists may not want to acknowledge these costs, but voters will force them to eventually. If you divide Bank of America’s annual cost for net-zero emissions globally, it comes to more than $600 a person—including the world’s poorest, in India and Africa.

Even in a rich country like the U.S., most voters are unwilling to give the government more than about $100 a year to fight climate change, and a couple of hundred dollars is the limit for a majority of voters in many other countries, such as China and the U.K.

France has already seen sustained protests against gasoline price hikes of only 12 cents a gallon. Imagine the backlash against policies enforcing net-zero emissions.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/soarin...t-zero-renewable-wind-electricity-11641417084
 
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AGW is a distraction to me. It's the shiny object in the climate "debate." It allows detractors to focus on something unproveable, and ignore the larger crisis that is near a tipping point.

We are losing whole ecosystems at this point. We're in the middle of a mass extinction (and unlike AGW, that one is on us, without a doubt). We're losing habitat, drinkable water & breathable air at alarming rates.

None of this is even remotely sustainable, even for another decade. People used to talk about preserving the planet for our children & our children's children - but this is about us just as much as anyone.

We can't possibly be this shortsighted and careless. This is a crisis, and it's the most important and impactful crisis we have. Without a habitable planet, all of the other issues are meaningless.

This shouldn't be political. This should be the top priority for both parties, and for every world leader.

If the libs would focus on pollution and overpopulation instead of the AGW lie, we might be able to get something done. But they are not about humanity or the planet, they are about power and control and nothing else.
 
If the libs would focus on pollution and overpopulation instead of the AGW lie, we might be able to get something done. But they are not about humanity or the planet, they are about power and control and nothing else.

They'll run out of money soon enough when the sheeple wake the fuck up
 
If the libs would focus on pollution and overpopulation instead of the AGW lie, we might be able to get something done. But they are not about humanity or the planet, they are about power and control and nothing else.

A failed reversal of facts. Global warming is capitalism-driven and AGW is the result.
There should be legislation to jail the perpetrators- sooner rather than later.
 
how about this......instead of trying to put tens of thousands of people out of work in an attempt to force change our entire method of electric production, you do something practical.....clean up just one square mile of those floating plastic islands in the Pacific......then we will know you're serious about the environment and we'll talk....

So, if immigration is a big issue for you...you should be working the border, right?
 
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