Evil: ?

The Canadian and European systems are far more successful at raising life expectancy and lowering infant mortality than ours. The people ARE dying in greater numbers proportionately than in most single payer civilized countries. Why?
Single payer will cover everybody.
Please point out the liar, Palin's death panel. She is worse than just a gadfly, she is an evil liar willing to say anything to advance herself with no worry about dishonesty hindering her words or their effect on her poor, bewildered
followers.
Not only that they are more cost affective. They spend far less health care dollars/GDP then the US does and they achieve higher measurable results. Those on the far right are just being tools of health insurance industry lobbyist using fear to manipulate them. The two most important thing that can be done to control cost in the US, and they are both related, are a public health care option and industry standardization.
 
Yeah, the government has done such a great job with these programs that they are near bankruptcy.

They're not near bankruptcy. And the solvency issues they project 10 years from now are due to the costs from healthcare PROVIDERS, not anything having to do with how the government is running Medicare.
 
They're not near bankruptcy. And the solvency issues they project 10 years from now are due to the costs from healthcare PROVIDERS, not anything having to do with how the government is running Medicare.

BS, if the government was running the programs the way they should, there wouldn't be billions of dollars per year wasted on fraud and abuse.
 
How comes I get the impression that no matter what Obama does it's going to be evil because Obama has done it.

What a crock of shit! Do you see our elderly and very young being left to die on Medicare/Medicaid? No. What evidence do you have that this would happen? None.

You're just partisan hacks who, once again, are walking like sheep to the slaughter, cause that's what your leaders are telling you to do and your to dumb to take the time think things through.

What's the old adage about the far right? Be a Republican. It's easier than thinking?

OK, I'll explain it to you. We have a free market health care system that is broken and does not work for to many people. With exception of the Insurance/HMO industry it has become an excessive burden economically on our nation since most health insurance is employer based. The US spends more health care dollars per GDP with less results then any modern nation in the world. What more evidence do you need that our system is broke and needs fixed and that if we don't catastrophic economic consequences will occur.

If your not part of the solution your part of the problem.

Wow. I've been taken to the wood shed. :rolleyes:
 
Tell me, SouthernFuck, have you ever heard of "euthanasia" being referred to as "end of life services" before? That's not the meaning of the section. Euthanasia is only available in Oregon.
Again, the bill doesn't doesn't go so far as to actively kill the patient with a high cost/ benefit calculation, it just refuses to treat their condition.
 
BS, if the government was running the programs the way they should, there wouldn't be billions of dollars per year wasted on fraud and abuse.

There aren't billions a year wasted on fraud and abuse. And people who defraud medicare aren't in government, they're people collecting checks for dead people. And the government prosecutes them and gets their money back.
 
There aren't billions a year wasted on fraud and abuse. And people who defraud medicare aren't in government, they're people collecting checks for dead people. And the government prosecutes them and gets their money back.

You are either stiff necked stupid or purposefully ignorant. There is an estimated many billions in fraud, error, and waste a year with the Medicare program.

And it is not recovered!!!!

5. Medicare Overspending

Medicare wastes more money than any other federal program, yet its strong public support leaves lawmakers hesitant to address program effi*ciencies, which cost taxpayers and Medicare recip*ients billions of dollars annually.

For example, Medicare pays as much as eight times what other federal agencies pay for the same drugs and medical supplies.[6] The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) recently com*pared the prices paid by Medicare and the Depart*ment of Veterans Affairs (VA) health care program for 16 types of medical equipment and supplies, which account for one-quarter of Medicare’s equip*ment and supplies purchases. The evidence showed that Medicare paid an average of more than double what the VA paid for the same items. The largest difference was for saline solution, with Medicare paying $8.26 per liter compared to the $1.02 paid by the VA.[7] (See Table 1.)

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[6]Janet Rehnquist, Inspector General, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, testimony before the Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, Committee on Appropriations, U.S. Senate, June 12, 2002, at oig.hhs.gov/testimony/docs/2002/020611fin.pdf (March 28, 2005).
 
The Canadian and European systems are far more successful at raising life expectancy and lowering infant mortality than ours. The people ARE dying in greater numbers proportionately than in most single payer civilized countries. Why?
Single payer will cover everybody.
Please point out the liar, Palin's death panel. She is worse than just a gadfly, she is an evil liar willing to say anything to advance herself with no worry about dishonesty hindering her words or their effect on her poor, bewildered
followers.

Damn, you guys don't believe in freedom of speech or assembly unless it's you. What whiners, including your constantly whining president.

The US has a higher cancer survival rate than Canada OR Europe.
 
Damn, you guys don't believe in freedom of speech or assembly unless it's you. What whiners, including your constantly whining president.

The US has a higher cancer survival rate than Canada OR Europe.

The survival rate is directly linked to quality and efficiency of treatment. Taking prostrate cancer survival rates: US has a 5% better rate of survival than Canada and a 25% greater survial rate than the UK for the first 5 years post treatment. I wonder how many Canadians are using US cancer treatments in conjunction with their own?
 
I swear, and they say we are the uninformed...you present fact after fact and they just overlook them, cause they want that Government NANNY..and seem to think this Socialized health care is gonna be FREE...
 
The survival rate is directly linked to quality and efficiency of treatment. Taking prostrate cancer survival rates: US has a 5% better rate of survival than Canada and a 25% greater survial rate than the UK for the first 5 years post treatment. I wonder how many Canadians are using US cancer treatments in conjunction with their own?

The survival rate is higher in the US for most cancers, with the exception of Sweden, which I believe is higher. Cancer is a disease that most people dread.
 
SARAH PALIN'S TIARA

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A lot of these senator's and congressmen of both parties but mostly republicans take money from the healthcare industry. So they beholding to them. The healthcare industry does not like the Obama/government run healthcare plan and fears threaten by it, as in lost revenue! You have to get rid of these senator's and congressmen, who except and take money from special interest groups. Senator's and congressmen should represent the people who put them in office, not the people who grease their palms, with money! Put people in office, that have your best interest at heart, and then you will see real change in anything!
 
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