How I've Warmed Up To Unions

Adam Weinberg

Goldwater Republican
This is a long one, but I hope it will not overstay its welcome with you as a reader. Here goes:

Of late, with the trend of town hall controversies, there have been many suggestions, and perhaps indications, that members of organized labor have been used to intimidate the right from protesting against the Health Care Reform bill.

I just wanted to say that I have come to the conclusion that in principle, organized labor still retains a very important place in our society, and these events do not discourage me from continuing to think so.

In fact, at this place in my career, I would be very glad to be a member of any union in my industry, whatever the trade, and whatever the dues. The opportunity to retain a standard of living, find affordable health insurance, and continue in my industry with only the most professional players willing to pay union rates for labor is too great, and this is not a time for being too choosy.

For certain, if I didn't have the skills to work in more than one trade when one or the other was slow, I would not have made it through this year.

I am also just too tired of being taken advantage of by greedy producers who want the opportunity of profit without the responsibility of compensating the working people who are providing them with the chance to make money. I want to be a producer myself. I am not one yet, but it seems elementary to me even at this stage that capitalism has a necessary entry fee that a capitalist interested in scrupulous, long term chances for prosperity has to be prepared to pay.

In business, human beings and their livelihoods are always involved. If you can't afford to invest, then you have to save until you can. If you pretend that you can invest before you have saved sufficient capital (re: capitalism), then you are likely committing some kind of fraud on someone.

With that said, the notion that Trade Unionists must inherently be leftist seems out of place to me. The International Brotherhood of Teamsters (who are an important part of the film production world) are perhaps an exception to this perceived rule, and are the most notable national trade union with a past of supporting Republicans, even as they have endorsed Democratic candidates in recent years.

I am more inclined to believe that Trade Unions are a part of capitalism. It is not only the owning class that should be entitled to negotiate for the best prices for labor. Labor should also be able to negotiate compensatory standards for the real world we live in.

It is not just a matter of what the buyer thinks the labor is worth to them. It is a matter of labor organizing to declare what the labor is worth to society and to the working people who acquire the skills to perform the labor so that others may profit.

In my business, I am often asked by production management (the equivalent of executive management in any other trade) to make concessions for the sake of "Our Movie". Unless I am promised a financial stake in the film, or have a lasting personal relationship with the creative players in the production, I am very reluctant to see how this is anything but an appeal to exploit the skills and labor of professionals.

It is not our movie. You cannot move up in a single film production as you can a single company (well, unless someone gets fired very suddenly). You can move up in an industry by being a good soldier, but that does not justify previous acts of exploitation in my view. To some it does justify it and they call it paying your dues.

At the end, it is only the producer's movie. He or she hopes to profit from the labor of the production crew to potentially become more rich and famous than they were before production began. My aspiration is to do the work I am hired to perform, with the skills and experience I bring, so that I can exit the production with a greater or sustained amount of income than before I started. There may be an ancillary benefit of taking pride in my work, but that should be among the reasons I am hired by a producer and not the sole reason I work for myself.

In capitalism, the ideal is that we are both better off or we would not agree to the position. In reality, however, we know well that it is the owning class that can more easily exploit the misfortune of the working class.

Yes, if I am highly skilled laborer in the film production business maybe with exclusive rights to property or equipment, then I can withdraw my services if my rates and standards are not met. But if I am in a trade for which the competition for employment is great, then producers can create a race to the bottom.

And this race to the bottom does exist. Producers of independent, non-union productions are so inundated with desperate aspirants to the industry, that many crew members will agree to work for free, if not for embarrassingly small wages.

I have been offered work, when we had the "luxury" of being "offered pay" for rates as low as $40/day. This is particularly egregious for an industry where on the low end, a work day (dictated by the production schedule, written by the liaisons of the production management called Assistant Directors- a job I've done quite a few times myself) will last for twelve hours, and often much more.

There is work done in certain sectors of the film industry that even many illegal immigrants would not take for the money. Now, working in the film trade is meant to be a pleasurable career. It is even easier for an individual to do than flipping burgers if you really want to do the work, but it certainly requires refined skills and experience much harder and more expensive to acquire than flipping burgers to be done well.

Even burger flippers, under the law, must be paid overtime if they are required for longer than 8 hours a day and 40 hours a week. Yet it is not uncommon in the independent scene for no overtime to be paid even if production days may turn into production weeks of 70 hours or more.

For many this would all be fine as long as the compensation was easily secured and issued in a timely and legally responsible manner.

Unfortunately, not only is the pay often substandard, the means by which it is acquired are often uncertain. A pay schedule is often an elusive thing, even as it would be common in any other place of employment (it's law in most all states that I'm aware of for such a thing to exist).

It's best to be the first in line at the bank where the check is issued so that the chance is less that yours will bounce.

In a sense, we should accept some personal responsibility as people starting out in the film business. We could all be working salaried suit and tie jobs if we really put our minds to it, even in the entertainment business. We have all made a choice to sacrifice some comfort to be able to work regularly at the craft we have worked toward for many years.

And yet, the rewards are at first even more limited in some cases than the standards and compensation for the lowest of the low position at infamous employers like McDonald's or Wal-Mart. And to their credit, or at the very least to the credit of good lawmaking and enforcement, you can be reasonably sure that the employees are paid the legal minimum wage, that their checks arrive in a specific place and time and always yield a payment once cashed or deposited.

In addition, they are given an employer contribution of payroll taxes, medicare, and unemployment insurance, which many production employees are deprived by producers, with the erroneous claim that they are "independent contractors".

I guess I'm just mad because I have a pending claim with the labor board for a significant sum of unpaid wages, but it's stuff like this that makes me certain that capitalism, while a very powerful, very democratic economic engine, does require regulation of many kinds.

It not only requires a government that is active in serving the interests of the public, but it requires a public that is active in defending their own interests and is educated to know what kinds of institutions comprise those interests.

The standards of labor are a reflection of the standards of living we bring home with us. For that reason I can't see why people should not be enabled to organize, in a fair and legal manner, for their share of the wealth the nation produces.
 
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This is a long one, but I hope it will not overstay its welcome with you as a reader. ....
Your argument boil down to this: You want to be in the film industry along with lots of others- too many for the jobs available, so you're glad that there is a union that sets wages instead of letting the market do its thing.

For what- the chance to get withing 50 feet of the latest bimbo starlet?

If the market was able to exist in this field, there would be less folks interested in doing it, and more going into fields where real wealth is created, such as growing food, building infrastructure and homes, and maybe even finding a cure for cancer.

There would also be a lot less worship of the latest bimbo starlet.

*shrug*
 
Your argument boil down to this: You want to be in the film industry along with lots of others- too many for the jobs available, so you're glad that there is a union that sets wages instead of letting the market do its thing.

For what- the chance to get withing 50 feet of the latest bimbo starlet?

If the market was able to exist in this field, there would be less folks interested in doing it, and more going into fields where real wealth is created, such as growing food, building infrastructure and homes, and maybe even finding a cure for cancer.

There would also be a lot less worship of the latest bimbo starlet.

*shrug*

I think about every assertion you made is incorrect. First of all, I don't just want to be in the film business. I am in this business. It is what I was educated and trained to do and where the bulk of my employment has been outside of the other thing I do (politics), which surely creates less real wealth.

The union in my argument is part of the market. If the marketplace is based on voluntary associations, then it must not only be the right of the employer to contract on their terms, but the right of working
people to contract on theirs.

It is no more a market wage if producers can exploit the lowest cost for the highest return for themselves. That is a one-sided arrangement when labor will naturally gravitate to the position given the choice of work or no work. This has been more common to happen this year because the market conditions have made production capital difficult to come along, leaving the remaining productions to some of the least ethical characters.

If you are of the opinion that the Arts and Entertainment industry is somehow not a real business where people don't work their asses off and create real wealth, I invite you to come spend a 15 hour day doing any one of the numerous jobs done here. Electricians work. Grips work. Truck drivers, make-up artists, location managers, down to Production Assistants all work. And employed people in America deserve the high standards of labor to go with their high commitment to their trades and the value they pass along to the people who will consequently own their work.

After all, if they didn't create wealth, capitalists wouldn't invest in these productions in order to make money.
 
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I think about every assertion you made is incorrect. First of all, I don't just want to be in the film business. I am in this business. It is what I was educated and trained to do and where the bulk of my employment has been outside of the other thing I do (politics), which surely creates less real wealth.

The union in my argument is part of the market. If the marketplace is based on voluntary associations, then it must not only be the right of the employer to contract on their terms, but the right of working
people to contract on theirs.

It is no more a market wage if producers can exploit the lowest cost for the highest return for themselves. That is a one-sided arrangement when labor will naturally gravitate to the position given the choice of work or no work. This has been more common to happen this year because the market conditions have made production capital difficult to come along, leaving the remaining productions to some of the least ethical characters.

If you are of the opinion that the Arts and Entertainment industry is somehow not a real business where people don't work their asses off and create real wealth, I invite you to come spend a 15 hour day doing any one of the numerous jobs done here. Electricians work. Grips work. Truck drivers, make-up artists, location managers, down to Production Assistants all work. And employed people in America deserve the high standards of labor to go with their high commitment to their trades and the value they pass along to the people who will consequently own their work.

After all, if they didn't create wealth, capitalists wouldn't invest in these productions in order to make money.

There are a lot of creative people in your industry. If the market forces were allowed to work, much of that creativity would be employed elsewhere. And you would likely have made a decision to be in a different field that was willing to pay you what you think you are worth.

I have the same opinion of accountants and tax attorneys, which is why I would like to eliminate the IRS as we know it. Just think of what new "must have" inventions would be on the market if all that brain power weren't being wasted counting other people's money and figuring out how to keep it away from the government.

Unions and the government are preventing Americans from realizing their true potential.
 
There are a lot of creative people in your industry. If the market forces were allowed to work, much of that creativity would be employed elsewhere. And you would likely have made a decision to be in a different field that was willing to pay you what you think you are worth.

I have the same opinion of accountants and tax attorneys, which is why I would like to eliminate the IRS as we know it. Just think of what new "must have" inventions would be on the market if all that brain power weren't being wasted counting other people's money and figuring out how to keep it away from the government.

Unions and the government are preventing Americans from realizing their true potential.

It sounds like a great idea, if creativity were that controllable. But most creative people are not randomly creative. Artists create what they create because it is what is inside them.

Stephen King once wrote that people are always asking him why he writes horror. His answer was "what makes you think I have a choice?".

If the creative people Adam works with were not making movies, they would likely as not be doing something else with far less passion.
 
Will you be updating your opinion on protectionism And tariffs? Afterall, free trade zealotry only benefits the wealthy capitalists, and the citizens have a right to expect their government to regulate trade such that their standard of living is preserved. There are PEOPLE involved. Corporations are just an abstraction.

Have you evolved this much, Sir Adam of Olam Ha Ba?
 
There are a lot of creative people in your industry. If the market forces were allowed to work, much of that creativity would be employed elsewhere. And you would likely have made a decision to be in a different field that was willing to pay you what you think you are worth.

What market forces aren't working? I am here because of the opportunity to make money with my skills and training, and to continue to make money. That is a market force. There are incentives for me to be here.

I am able to make some money without a union, but the security of my standard of living is much lower. I have been cheated now many times on non-union productions because the producers do not believe they will need to be as legally accountable to my contracts as a major studio would be to a union contract.

A union will negotiate with producers for what my work is actually worth to them and to me. Yes, they will pay more, and I will have to make a sacrifice for the service, but that is not exactly an impediment to the marketplace. It raises my standard of living and actually pays for the labor they are asking for.

I'm not seeing where the market being disposed of in all this.

You know, this thread was inspired by your comments. You said on another thread that unions were inherently Socialist organizations. I am not sure I understand that argument.

If they are socialist, then they must be organized as an extension of state ownership. I have not seen unions themselves demand socialism, but negotiate the distribution of compensation (wealth) in the marketplace.

The only real socialism I've seen recently is not as much from working people but from the previous class of "capitalists" who don't seem to understand that investments in a free market must be able to both succeed and fail.
 
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Will you be updating your opinion on protectionism And tariffs? Afterall, free trade zealotry only benefits the wealthy capitalists, and the citizens have a right to expect their government to regulate trade such that their standard of living is preserved. There are PEOPLE involved. Corporations are just an abstraction.

Have you evolved this much, Sir Adam of Olam Ha Ba?

Maybe not that much. I agree with some of what you mean, and I would never say never depending on the situation, but free trade does not just benefit only the wealthy. Protecting our industries with subsidies can hurt much poorer people in other countries who could be providing us with services that we aren't equipped to do any more, but that are very profitable for them.

Not to mention that those same dollars that could be taxed for subsidies can be used to support profitable industries in the marketplace, or help working people to save the money they need to invest and raise their standard of living.

I am not suggesting unions as an alternative to capitalism. I am saying that they are a part of the market. Maybe in some industries unions are no longer the way to go because of where the law and the market have developed, but I can see how in many it would still be a good tool for raising standards of living for working people while still delivering quality labor to employers.
 
Will you be updating your opinion on protectionism And tariffs? Afterall, free trade zealotry only benefits the wealthy capitalists, and the citizens have a right to expect their government to regulate trade such that their standard of living is preserved. There are PEOPLE involved. Corporations are just an abstraction.

Have you evolved this much, Sir Adam of Olam Ha Ba?

Oh, look, the Nazi found an Adam thread.
 
It sounds like a great idea, if creativity were that controllable. But most creative people are not randomly creative. Artists create what they create because it is what is inside them.

Stephen King once wrote that people are always asking him why he writes horror. His answer was "what makes you think I have a choice?".

If the creative people Adam works with were not making movies, they would likely as not be doing something else with far less passion.
Maybe for the top performers but not for most, so my argument about affecting the economic market is solid.
 
The only real socialism I've seen recently is not as much from working people but from the previous class of "capitalists" who don't seem to understand that investments in a free market must be able to both succeed and fail.

LOL. he's talking about the CNBC fascistocrat talking heads. Those fascist chicks with the great bodies, trying to halucinate 'green chutes' into being and getting frothy over the Alpha Phallic Ben Bernanke? Those are the ones. With Illuminati Plant Steve leesman, and curmudgeonly patriarch Larry Kudlow.

They Do suck. And Goldman Sachs? Total shitskankers.
 
Maybe for the top performers but not for most, so my argument about affecting the economic market is solid.

I think you overestimate the difference between the top performers and the rest.

Art is not something done on demand. Creativity takes the outlets it takes.
 
What market forces aren't working? I am here because of the opportunity to make money with my skills and training, and to continue to make money. That is a market force. There are incentives for me to be here.

I am able to make some money without a union, but the security of my standard of living is much lower. I have been cheated now many times on non-union productions because the producers do not believe they will need to be as legally accountable to my contracts as a major studio would be to a union contract.

A union will negotiate with producers for what my work is actually worth to them and to me. Yes, they will pay more, and I will have to make a sacrifice for the service, but that is not exactly an impediment to the marketplace. It raises my standard of living and actually pays for the labor they are asking for.

I'm not seeing where is the market being disposed of in all this.

You know, this thread was inspired by your comments. You said on another thread that unions were inherently Socialist organizations. I am not sure I understand that argument.

If they are socialist, then they must be organized as an extension of state ownership. I have not seen unions themselves demand socialism, but negotiate the distribution of compensation (wealth) in the marketplace.

The only real socialism I've seen recently is not as much from working people but from the previous class of "capitalists" who don't seem to understand that investments in a free market must be able to both succeed and fail.

Socialism:

1. any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
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In this case the union is the collective, the labor is the means of production and the good are the films. Congratulations of touting the wonders of socialism.

The film industry isn't the only field that rips off its employees, and that issue has little to do with the economic discussion. I'm an engineer, a field where there is clearly a very high demand for my services, and I have been ripped off by employers and clients alike.
 
I think you overestimate the difference between the top performers and the rest.

Art is not something done on demand. Creativity takes the outlets it takes.
I don't think so. Were talking about an industry where something like the top 1% makes 99% of the profit. *shrug*
 
Will you be updating your opinion on protectionism And tariffs? Afterall, free trade zealotry only benefits the wealthy capitalists, and the citizens have a right to expect their government to regulate trade such that their standard of living is preserved. There are PEOPLE involved. Corporations are just an abstraction.

Have you evolved this much, Sir Adam of Olam Ha Ba?

Maybe not that much. I agree with some of what you mean, and I would never say never depending on the situation, but free trade does not just benefit only the wealthy. Protecting our industries with subsidies can hurt much poorer people in other countries who can have their standard of living raised while providing us with services that we aren't equipped to do any more.

Not to mention that those same dollars that could be taxed for subsidies can be used to support profitable industries in the marketplace, or help working people to save the money they need to invest and raise their standard of living.

I am not suggesting unions as an alternative to capitalism. I am saying that they are a part of the market. Maybe in some industries unions are no longer the way to go because of where the law and the market have developed, but I can see how in many it would still be a good tool for raising standards of living for working people while still delivering quality labor to employers.

Also, taking the film industry as an example, there is plenty of protectionism against U.S. films abroad because we are so economically powerful in this industry, and I do not think I would want to reciprocate that kind of action.

Granted, our film industry does not require protection from foreign competition as does the industry of a much smaller country with limited capital. If I were a South Korean filmmaker, I might feel differently, just as I might if I were an American Steelworker.
 
I don't think so. Were talking about an industry where something like the top 1% makes 99% of the profit. *shrug*

That probably lends more weight to my point. 99% of the people in the industry don't make big bucks. But they do it anyway. Not because they want to be near bimbo starlets. But because its where they want to be.

They are doing what they love. It makes it worth it.
 
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In this case the union is the collective, the labor is the means of production and the good are the films. Congratulations of touting the wonders of socialism.

The film industry isn't the only field that rips off its employees, and that issue has little to do with the economic discussion. I'm an engineer, a field where there is clearly a very high demand for my services, and I have been ripped off by employers and clients alike.

You are correct that it is not the only industry with these kinds of pitfalls, I am only using my industry as an example because it's one I know.

Socialism, however, advocates that the workers control the means of the production instead of capitalists. Collective bargaining does not mean that. It simply gives working people leverage in contract negotiations with owners and management that as individuals they do not have.

Your original assertion that there are few jobs and many workers is really not different from many fields. With our present situation, it is even applicable to the entire economy. While it is never wrong to work, it is not a favor to a working person just to be employed by someone. The working person is doing their share as well and is due compensation equivalent to their labor and skills.

As an individual, they may have limited range to express what that worth is. And that is why unions are organized, not by the state, but by people who get burned and get fed up with it.
 
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