Backlash against Trumpist fake christians

Dutch Uncle said:
First, Matt, TOW is not a Christian.

Second, neither are you as established by your own words and lies on JPP.

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Time until Wolverine/Matt Dillon justifies his actions by claiming I'm not a Christian either: 10...9...8....
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Bigger Yawn!
 
Cypress said:
Religion is a powerful thing, because of it's connection both to moral philosophy and to the seats of power (aka, government and nationalist movements), either for oppression or for liberation.
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It's human tool. Humans are the ones doing those things. Humans are the heroes and the villains.

There's a lot of people on this forum who want to go the way of Stalin and stomp out all religion, which makes them villains just like any other oppressor.
 
Cypress said:
I will let other thread participants judge how credible your claim is that religions have never, ever, not one single time, provided any benefit to the human condition.
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Religious organizations have done a lot for the poor, farm workers, civil rights, the imprisoned, and the ill.
 
Cypress said:
I have zero doubt you would drop to your knees in prayer before the gold-gilded Idol of Trump.

Speaking of worship, here is an extensive list of Trump-worshippers professing their love for The Donald, and declaring they would die for him >

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...rom-the-Snowflake-files&p=4057756#post4057756
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Well, you never were much of a thinker, given the choice between Trump who is for Americans, and Biden who clearly supports CCP and Russia I will clearly and gladly pull the lever for Trump again! I Worship no man!
 
Wolverine said:
Oh I care, just not about whether or not you think I am a Christian!
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Non sequitur, Matt. Your previous patterns of behavior AKA posts prove you don't give a shit about Christianity anymore than BidenPresident.

At least she doesn't wear a Christian mask pretending to be special. She's openly hostile to all humanity just like you but you claim you care...which makes you a liar.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It's human tool. Humans are the ones doing those things. Humans are the heroes and the villains.

There's a lot of people on this forum who want to go the way of Stalin and stomp out all religion, which makes them villains just like any other oppressor.
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But I think religion is frequently more powerful than other intellectual traditions, precisely because it sits right at the nexus of moral philosophy and political power.

In that sense, Christianity was in a position to influence the end of the British slave trade in a way that English atheists never could.

On the flipside, the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church turned a blind eye to serfdom when it was becoming obvious to irreligious Russian liberal intellectuals that serfdom was a moral travesty.
 
Cypress said:
But I think religion is frequently more powerful than other intellectual traditions, precisely because it sits right at the nexus of moral philosophy and political power.

In that sense, Christianity was in a position to influence the end of the British slave trade in a way that English atheists never could.

On the flipside, the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church turned a blind eye to serfdom when it was becoming obvious to irreligious Russian liberal intellectuals that serfdom was a moral travesty.
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True believers, regardless of which religion/cult, are difficult to turn.

Consider the Insurrectionists. Those fuckers will roll on each other for a lighter sentence. It's one thing to face a year in prison and your friends for the rest of your life but it's a completely different matter when facing life in prison.

Strongly religious people have faith in something beyond the physical and are much less likely to turn for personal gain. The Japanese in WWII and the Iranians attacking the Iraqis were both fanatically devoted to their ideology. To the Emperor, who was considered a living god, for the Japanese and for Islam for the Iranians.

Agreed on your example of intellectuals vs. the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church of the 19th Century. The flipside of that is that religious organizations have also been on the vanguard of scientific research and helping their fellow man. It varies by the users.
 
Phantasmal said:
Religious organizations have done a lot for the poor, farm workers, civil rights, the imprisoned, and the ill.
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History is always more complex than we can put into words. Religious history, political history, or military history.

I was just listening to a professor who said Tolstoy wrote War and Peace because he didn't think history could be organized into a neat coherent narrative of good guys and bad guys, right and wrong, or of an organized narrative on a trajectory towards a resolution.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Non sequitur, Matt. Your previous patterns of behavior AKA posts prove you don't give a shit about Christianity anymore than BidenPresident.

At least she doesn't wear a Christian mask pretending to be special. She's openly hostile to all humanity just like you but you claim you care...which makes you a liar.
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Openly hostile to all humanity?:laugh: I have actually had somewhat decent conversations with BP, I think that person is bat crap crazy but you are one of the most hostile people on the site you try to flame everyone! You belief, of whether or not I am Christian, matters not to me! You are starting to sound a lot like LV666 in that you need help! You have anger issues and should seek professional help!
 
Wolverine said:
Openly hostile to all humanity?:laugh: I have actually had somewhat decent conversations with BP, I think that person is bat crap crazy but you are one of the most hostile people on the site you try to flame everyone! You belief, of whether or not I am Christian, matters not to me! You are starting to sound a lot like LV666 in that you need help! You have anger issues and should seek professional help!
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Nice rant, Matt. I can see why you think BP is "bat crap crazy". It's a form of projection.

OTOH, I disagree. She's simply young and having some issues. Nothing she can't overcome but it's not fun to be in that place. You, OTOH, need to take your own advice. :)
 
Cypress said:
History is always more complex than we can put into words. Religious history, political history, or military history.

I was just listening to a professor who said Tolstoy wrote War and Peace because he didn't think history could be organized into a neat coherent narrative of good guys and bad guys, right and wrong, or of an organized narrative on a trajectory towards a resolution.
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Agreed on "a neat coherent narrative". LOL Thanks for the professor's comments.

Walter Lord's "A Time to Stand" is about the Alamo. While there was bravery and heroics on both sides, there were no saints either. Legend has blown them up to be larger than life, and clear Heroes and Villains, but, as you pointed out, there's a lot more to the story. Lord's book spells out the history.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed on "a neat coherent narrative". LOL Thanks for the professor's comments.

Walter Lord's "A Time to Stand" is about the Alamo. While there was bravery and heroics on both sides, there were no saints either. Legend has blown them up to be larger than life, and clear Heroes and Villains, but, as you pointed out, there's a lot more to the story. Lord's book spells out the history.
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I guess most of us of a certain age watched that Alamo movie which imparted a mythical understanding of the conflict between Mexicans and Texas rebels.

I always look for a sophisticated analysis of history. Anyone who claims religions are universally and relentlessly evil are no more credible than those who gloss over Religious oppression and intolerance.
 
Cypress said:
I guess most of us of a certain age watched that Alamo movie which imparted a mythical understanding of the conflict between Mexicans and Texas rebels.

I always look for a sophisticated analysis of history. Anyone who claims religions are universally and relentlessly evil are no more credible than those who gloss over Religious oppression and intolerance.
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The John Wayne movie was accurate in the name of the place and the main characters. After that, it was Hollywood. My first memory of the Alamo was from Walt Disney watching Davie Crockett swinging ol' Betsie from atop the Alamo chapel. Not even close. LOL

The Billie Bob Thornton movie was a much more accurate retelling.

Agreed that a good historian needs to see with clarity; warts and all. Yes, Thomas Jefferson was a slaver and, by our standards, a rapist who enslaved his own children. He was a man of his times which meant he was no worse than any of the other plantation owners with slaves. Obviously he was greater than others in many ways.

To bulldoze his memory and memorial out of an obsession to erase history is not a good path.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Nice rant, Matt. I can see why you think BP is "bat crap crazy". It's a form of projection.

OTOH, I disagree. She's simply young and having some issues. Nothing she can't overcome but it's not fun to be in that place. You, OTOH, need to take your own advice. :)
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Naw, I am good! Maybe you guys can find an online group to join together!
 
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