Biden green lights funds for nationwide electric vehicle charging network.

floridafan said:
Where are the batteries made, Einstein??
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Wolverine's argument is lame. The ICE cars have much more 'disposal' issues than EVs. And they're working on technology to re-use the batteries:

The rapid penetration of electric vehicles has led to questions on its most expensive component – the battery. What happens to the batteries after 8-10 years of service when they retire from EVs due to capacity fade?

Volkswagen announced its ambitious target to build a million EVs by 2025 and has already got a plan for their used EV batteries. Earlier this year, Volkswagen unveiled its “power bank for the e-car”, a mobile rapid charger consisting of up to 360kWh second-life EV batteries that can charge up to four vehicles simultaneously. The second-life battery powered mobile charging stations provide a flexible and cost-efficient approach to the rapid expansion of the charging infrastructure, according to Volkswagen.

After 8 to 10 years of service in EVs, batteries are normally retired due to faded capacity and power that fail to meet the range requirement of electric vehicles. According to IDTechEx’s latest report on Second-life Electric Vehicles 2020-2030, there will be over six million battery packs retiring from electric vehicles per year by 2030. Recycling to extract raw materials from the spent batteries seems to be the default option. However, those used batteries could still retain up to 70-80% of the original capacity that can be further utilised in less-demanding applications such as stationary energy storage, before being recycled. Major OEMs and energy storage companies have launched various pilot and business initiatives to explore second-life applications for used EV batteries.

By 2030, second-life battery capacity will hit over 275GWh per year which presents huge opportunities for energy storage, according to the IDTechEx report. However, many technical, economic and regulatory challenges exist that might make it difficult for companies to profit from second-life batteries. The report offers an in-depth analysis of key technologies, players, challenges and market opportunities across the second-life battery value chain. Based on conversations with global leading players in the second-life battery area, this report predicts the market size and analyses the major market trends of second-life batteries over the next decade.
 
floridafan said:
Where are the batteries made, Einstein??
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It's not about where they are made, answer just one of my questions! What will they do with the old batteries, what about the strip mining being done, where will the electricity come from for the charging stations?
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Wolverine's argument is lame. The ICE cars have much more 'disposal' issues than EVs. And they're working on technology to re-use the batteries:

The rapid penetration of electric vehicles has led to questions on its most expensive component – the battery. What happens to the batteries after 8-10 years of service when they retire from EVs due to capacity fade?

Volkswagen announced its ambitious target to build a million EVs by 2025 and has already got a plan for their used EV batteries. Earlier this year, Volkswagen unveiled its “power bank for the e-car”, a mobile rapid charger consisting of up to 360kWh second-life EV batteries that can charge up to four vehicles simultaneously. The second-life battery powered mobile charging stations provide a flexible and cost-efficient approach to the rapid expansion of the charging infrastructure, according to Volkswagen.

After 8 to 10 years of service in EVs, batteries are normally retired due to faded capacity and power that fail to meet the range requirement of electric vehicles. According to IDTechEx’s latest report on Second-life Electric Vehicles 2020-2030, there will be over six million battery packs retiring from electric vehicles per year by 2030. Recycling to extract raw materials from the spent batteries seems to be the default option. However, those used batteries could still retain up to 70-80% of the original capacity that can be further utilised in less-demanding applications such as stationary energy storage, before being recycled. Major OEMs and energy storage companies have launched various pilot and business initiatives to explore second-life applications for used EV batteries.

By 2030, second-life battery capacity will hit over 275GWh per year which presents huge opportunities for energy storage, according to the IDTechEx report. However, many technical, economic and regulatory challenges exist that might make it difficult for companies to profit from second-life batteries. The report offers an in-depth analysis of key technologies, players, challenges and market opportunities across the second-life battery value chain. Based on conversations with global leading players in the second-life battery area, this report predicts the market size and analyses the major market trends of second-life batteries over the next decade.
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What about the electricity to charge the cars, what about all the pollution that comes from making the batteries/ the cars, disposing of the batteries! You are dodging all sorts of issues because you are being played, know it, and won't accept the fact
 
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Joe Stalinist said:
Superchargers deliver a consistent 72 kilowatts (kW) of power, even if another Tesla begins charging in an adjacent stall. This creates a predictable charging experience with an average Supercharging session lasting around 45-50 minutes
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1. A gas/diesel vehicle can be refueled in far less time

2. Is bungling Biden going to install thousands of superchargers nationwide at public expense?
 
Wolverine said:
It's not about where they are made, answer just one of my questions! What will they do with the old batteries, what about the strip mining being done, where will the electricity come from for the charging stations?
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As to the old batteries, check with Tesla, they have it all planned out. Where else does electricity come from?
What strip mining, be specific!!
 
floridafan said:
Thats where the level 3 chargers come into play and as time goes on these battery chargers will be far better and more efficient.
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RE electric cars is sure looks like we are jumping in head first before the technology is perfected, which is what idiots do.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
God Bless President Biden

The gas car is dead. Long live the EV.

The fuel of the future is electric, according to Secretaries of Energy and Transportation, Jennifer Granholm and Pete Buttigieg, who say they want to make it easier to come by.

The Biden administration announced Thursday that a portion of $5 billion of federal funding, over five years, is available to states that have a plan to upgrade or create new electric vehicle charging stations.

It’s part of the bipartisan infrastructure law, signed late last year. Each state must apply in order to receive a portion of the funding.

“This is about making sure everybody can get in on the EV revolution, it’s already happening, but we have to make sure that it’s made in America; that everyone benefits from cities to rural areas,” said Secretary Buttigieg.

Eventually, the administration says they want to expand charging in rural and underserved areas, but this round is intended for infrastructure along interstate highways or alternative fuel corridors.

“We want people to not have range anxiety, then we focus on areas where we haven’t seen a big uptake in electric vehicles. Maybe they are in urban areas. It might be poor communities,” said Granholm.

Electric vehicles made up less than 3% of new auto sales last year. Though that number is expected to increase within the next decade, Granholm acknowledges one significant roadblock: the cost.

“This is exactly why the president has pushed, as part of the Build Back Better agenda to have tax credits for the purchase of electric vehicles, both new and used ones,” Granholm said.
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Yea, sure.

The recharging station thing was tried by Obama too. Here in Phoenix, a company called ECOtality got millions from the government to install such stations all over the Phoenix metro area. The company netted a total in sales of less than $1000 and went bankrupt. The charging stations became a favorite target of copper thieves cutting off the charging cables then selling the stripped copper to metal yards.

In Norway, the government hands out hefty subsidies for buyers of electric vehicles. They have pushed for years going to EV type vehicles and even still only have seen about 40% of the total of vehicles in the country become EV.

Just because the government wants something stupid doesn't mean the people will react and do something stupid. EV vehicles are stupid. Going to a fuel cell vehicle running on hydrogen or ammonia is the smart way to go, but the scientific illiterates on the Left have decided on batteries and nothing will stop their asinine stupidity if they have any say about it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Yea, sure.

The recharging station thing was tried by Obama too. Here in Phoenix, a company called ECOtality got millions from the government to install such stations all over the Phoenix metro area. The company netted a total in sales of less than $1000 and went bankrupt. The charging stations became a favorite target of copper thieves cutting off the charging cables then selling the stripped copper to metal yards.

In Norway, the government hands out hefty subsidies for buyers of electric vehicles. They have pushed for years going to EV type vehicles and even still only have seen about 40% of the total of vehicles in the country become EV.

Just because the government wants something stupid doesn't mean the people will react and do something stupid. EV vehicles are stupid. Going to a fuel cell vehicle running on hydrogen or ammonia is the smart way to go, but the scientific illiterates on the Left have decided on batteries and nothing will stop their asinine stupidity if they have any say about it.
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The entire auto industry, worldwide, are scientific illiterates?? This has little if anything to do with governments.
 
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