Biden green lights funds for nationwide electric vehicle charging network.

[T. A. Gardner]

OK...well...the first one listed:



So once again, we have an instance of you being a lazy motherfucker and not even reading your own links.

You are obviously oblivious and clueless about accounting procedures. This is nothing more than an oil company writing off business expenses just like any corporation is allowed to do. it isn't a "government subsidy." The government isn't giving the oil company money, just allowing them to do what any corporation does, write off expenses of doing business.

So, just because some Leftist environmental site (chosen deliberately by me) includes various tax accounting methods as supposed subsidies, doesn't make those subsidies.

 

[McRocket]

BFD!!!

The article isn't about finding cars poor people can afford. You lost this one, McBlockhead. Just admit it and go suck Trump's dick some more.
That's what you do best, McBlockhead.

Sooo.

A Bidenbot (Joe Capitalist) admits that the lower classes are not important ('BFD' he says to them in regards to this story).

Good to know.


This Biden initiative is to make him look greener at the expense of ignoring the lower classes whom now have to face the highest inflation rate in 40 years.

Which you practically just confirmed.

Have a nice day.


BTW - I despised Trump (and Biden) as POTUS.

 

[LV426]

You are obviously oblivious and clueless about accounting procedures..

Literally, the first subsidy listed is not an accounting procedure, it is quite literally US code that gives subsidies to oil companies.

FFS, TA why are you so fucking lazy about everything?

 

[LV426]

This is nothing more than an oil company writing off business expenses just like any corporation is allowed to do.

No. This is a SPECIFIC subsidy for a SPECIFIC purpose.

You didn't read your fucking link, TA.

So you're doing that thing again where you sloppily rush through your bullshit responses without reading the shit you're commenting on.

Fucking lazy.

it isn't a "government subsidy."

It is LITERALLY a subsidy for drilling new wells:

This provision allows companies to deduct a majority of the costs incurred from drilling new wells domestically.

So it's not an "accounting procedure" every business does...it's a subsidy OIL BUSINESSES GET

The government isn't giving the oil company money, just allowing them to do what any corporation does, write off expenses of doing business.

Yes, it is giving them money the same way your stupid tax cuts give the wealthy money, which is to subsidize those low rates with higher taxes and fees on individuals.

So, just because some Leftist environmental site (chosen deliberately by me) includes various tax accounting methods as supposed subsidies, doesn't make those subsidies.

FFS, TA, you screeched like a goddamned moron about subsidies not existing, then you went and posted a link that listed a subsidy as the first fucking example.

YOU DIDN'T DO YOUR HOMEWORK

 

[Joe Capitalist]

No. This is a SPECIFIC subsidy for a SPECIFIC purpose.

You didn't read your fucking link, TA.

So you're doing that thing again where you sloppily rush through your bullshit responses without reading the shit you're commenting on.

Fucking lazy.




It is LITERALLY a subsidy for drilling new wells:



So it's not an "accounting procedure" every business does...it's a subsidy OIL BUSINESSES GET




Yes, it is giving them money the same way your stupid tax cuts give the wealthy money, which is to subsidize those low rates with higher taxes and fees on individuals.




FFS, TA, you screeched like a goddamned moron about subsidies not existing, then you went and posted a link that listed a subsidy as the first fucking example.

YOU DIDN'T DO YOUR HOMEWORK

Thanks for tearing TA a new ass hole.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

So why aren't the Dems building hydrogen gas stations?

Where are the hydrogen cars and who is mass producing them and saying Democrats are building them is disingenuous as the infrastructure bill was a bipartisan bill supported by both parties.

 

[BartenderElite]

It's just such a knee-jerk reaction now. For conservatives, ANYTHING related to renewable energy is just "bad."

What a shame that it's been so politicized. It's really one thing that should not be partisan. The development of renewable, domestic sources of energy should be something we all can find common ground on.

But it's seen as a "lefty" cause now. Conservatives will oppose it no matter what.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

in other words, lets let po folks pay for something only rich folks can use.

there is no constitutional basis for this even with the misrepresented general welfare scam.

whichis to say, let them eat cake.

That’s a ridiculous comment as low cost e-cars are being manufactured and all the major automakers are investing heavily in building them and ecars all across the economic spectrum.

You’re letting your emotional and political bias from observing the facts on the ground. E-cars are growing in popularity, there is growing demand for them and the manufactures are investing heavily due to that demand. That is all that is required and yours and my political opinions are meaningless in light of that market demand.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Have you not heard of Plug Power, Ballard Power, Fuel Cell Energy, AFC, ITM Power, Nikola or AAMP?

No and I fail to see your point. Let them all throw their hats in the ring and the market will decide and no one is preventing them from doing so.

 

[Walt]

I still don't understand why the far right is so down on EVs. They are extremely popular. Look at Reddit and their Tesla forums. Tesla owners LOVE their Teslas. Now, all car manufacturers are making EVs. There's enough research and evidence to show EVs are the favored technology.
Far right MAGA can piss and whine all they want. The EV is here and will only become more ubiquitous going forward.

People used to complain that gasoline powered cars would be impossible. After all, look at how much more complex they were than just letting a horse eat some grass.

But I think it goes further here. The alt right is against anything that involves work. They are very lazy people.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I still don't understand why the far right is so down on EVs. They are extremely popular. Look at Reddit and their Tesla forums. Tesla owners LOVE their Teslas. Now, all car manufacturers are making EVs. There's enough research and evidence to show EVs are the favored technology.
Far right MAGA can piss and whine all they want. The EV is here and will only become more ubiquitous going forward.

Oh we know. It’s the debate on anthropogenic climate change. They have deluded themselves into thinking that’s the only reason people are buying EV’s. In reality it’s just one consideration people have when purchasing them. Ultimately the reason they purchase on is irrelevant. What is relevant is that they are buying them.

I say let the market decide.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I LOVE EV's.
But this is nothing but bullshit politics to make Biden look greener that will only help the wealthier Americans.


The cheapest EV with a 200+ mile range in America costs almost $32,000.
https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/cheapest-electric-cars/
Few in the lower classes can afford and/or justify paying that much for a new car.

And before you say something ignorant like 'the poor can buy a used EV and just replace the battery pack'?
No...they cannot.

'The current list price of a Bolt EV HV battery pack is $15,734.29 and the part number is 24285978.'
https://www.greencarreports.com/new...eplacement-chevy-bolt-ev-electric-car-battery


This Biden plan is nothing but tree huggers, PR bullshit that will benefit (practically) only wealthier Americans.

OIC…so the market should not be permitted to sell them cause the very poor can’t afford them? That’s an utterly senseless argument when the average cost for a new car is more than a Chevy Volt.

It’s not like anyone is saying $15,000 cars with internal combustion engines can’t be built and their infrastructure supported publicly to enhance their economic benefits. This is a totally irrational argument.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I said 'wealthier'.
Not 'wealthy'.
As in - 'wealthier than the lower classes'.

Obviously, poor/lower class Americans are not going to buy the 'average priced new car'.

They are going to buy the cheapest new cars or used cars.

DUH!!!


Like the $13,600 Chevrolet Spark.

https://www.chevrolet.com/cars/spark

So all technological development should be prohibited because the very poor can’t afford it? That’s insane. No capitalist society responds to market demand to technological development and advancement cause the very poor can’t afford it.

Hell it wasn’t that long ago that the cost of a PC was only affordable to the upper middle class and it was mass demand from them that drove market demand, which increases investment, R&D, infrastructure investment and development that ultimately reduced cost where even the very poor could afford one.

Technological development never is based on what only the poor can afford. What an irrational argument.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

BFD!!!

The article isn't about finding cars poor people can afford. You lost this one, McBlockhead. Just admit it and go suck Trump's dick some more.
That's what you do best, McBlockhead.

Well there are cars the poor can afford. Where is it written that EV’s have to be one of them. Most of them aren’t paying Federal Taxes anyways.

Saying there shouldn’t be infrastructure investment that the majority want should not be permitted because a minority can’t afford them is just plain nutty.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Sooo.

A Bidenbot (Joe Capitalist) admits that the lower classes are not important ('BFD' he says to them in regards to this story).

Good to know.


This Biden initiative is to make him look greener at the expense of ignoring the lower classes whom now have to face the highest inflation rate in 40 years.

Which you practically just confirmed.

Have a nice day.


BTW - I despised Trump (and Biden) as POTUS.

Both a Strawman and ad hominem logical fallacy. How the hell can the technology be made cheaper and less costly if we don’t invest in developing the technology. You’re clueless man.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Thanks for tearing TA a new ass hole.

LV is wrong. It's an accounting procedure, not a subsidy.

subsidy
[ˈsəbsədē]
NOUN
a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive.
"a farm subsidy" · [more]
a sum of money granted to support an arts organization or other undertaking held to be in the public interest.
"she was anxious about her Arts Council subsidy" · [more]
synonyms:
funds · assets · money · capital · resources · cash · wealth · [more]
a grant or contribution of money.
"the position is generously rewarded and benefits include a mortgage subsidy" · [more]
synonyms:
grant · allowance · endowment · contribution · donation · bursary · [more]

Adjusting a write off for business expenses is common across all of business. If the company drills a well, that costs money, and there is depreciation along with the non-recoverable costs of doing the drilling. Now, if government was saying, We'll give you $100,000 for each well you drill or something that would be a subsidy. Allowing a tax write off for costs of doing business is not a subsidy.

Paying farmers not to grow a crop of some sort, or to grow a particular crop, is a subsidy. That a farmer can write off the depreciation on farm machinery isn't a subsidy.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

It's just such a knee-jerk reaction now. For conservatives, ANYTHING related to renewable energy is just "bad."

What a shame that it's been so politicized. It's really one thing that should not be partisan. The development of renewable, domestic sources of energy should be something we all can find common ground on.

But it's seen as a "lefty" cause now. Conservatives will oppose it no matter what.

To even politicize this is just plain nutty. Environmental considerations are just one of many considerations to purchase an EV.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

It's just such a knee-jerk reaction now. For conservatives, ANYTHING related to renewable energy is just "bad."

What a shame that it's been so politicized. It's really one thing that should not be partisan. The development of renewable, domestic sources of energy should be something we all can find common ground on.

But it's seen as a "lefty" cause now. Conservatives will oppose it no matter what.

Except it's the Leftist environmental front that is the problem here. They've settled on a solution and will bunk no discussion of alternatives to it. Solar and wind don't work and the proof of that is pretty damn conclusive now. They are costly, unreliable, and can't generate the power necessary. They also require duplication of the power system with more reliable sources driven by coal, natural gas, or nuclear.

The clearly viable and reliable choices are nuclear and natural gas. These require no duplication of sources and between them can generate large quantities of cheap power with proven results. But the crazies on the Left won't entertain any of that for a second.

The same goes for portable fuels. The clear choice is hydrogen or ammonia using a fuel cell. It fits into the existing infrastructure and is practical. Batteries don't work whether it's a Tesla or an Edison.

 

[BartenderElite]

Except it's the Leftist environmental front that is the problem here. They've settled on a solution and will bunk no discussion of alternatives to it. Solar and wind don't work and the proof of that is pretty damn conclusive now. They are costly, unreliable, and can't generate the power necessary. They also require duplication of the power system with more reliable sources driven by coal, natural gas, or nuclear.

The clearly viable and reliable choices are nuclear and natural gas. These require no duplication of sources and between them can generate large quantities of cheap power with proven results. But the crazies on the Left won't entertain any of that for a second.

The same goes for portable fuels. The clear choice is hydrogen or ammonia using a fuel cell. It fits into the existing infrastructure and is practical. Batteries don't work whether it's a Tesla or an Edison.

And computers are too big - they'll never have a personal use...

 

[T. A. Gardner]

And computers are too big - they'll never have a personal use...

Poor analogy. Battery technology is a well-known and established field of mostly chemistry. You can't get around the periodic table.