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"Lawmakers eager to broaden health care coverage while holding down costs are examining the institutional market for medical supplies, a largely unseen $60 billion-a-year realm where things like bedpans and heart implants change hands.

Senators from committees like finance, judiciary and aging are investigating the practices of companies that represent big networks of hospitals, nursing homes and other institutions. These group purchasing organizations select 'preferred' manufacturers and negotiate the prices of medical products, which are a closely held secret. They then use a variety of carrots and sticks to make sure their hospitals buy those brands at the contracted price.

The senators are concerned that these groups’ practices may be inflating health costs at taxpayer expense. Much of the cost is borne by the government, as it reimburses hospital expenses through the Medicare program.

On Wednesday, the senators sent letters to the seven biggest group purchasing organizations, known as G.P.O.’s, demanding detailed information about their business practices, including how they are paid, what services they perform besides picking brands and negotiating prices, and how their revenues are affected when an affiliated hospital buys supplies on its own instead of using the group contract.

The senators also asked for copies of contracts, something not normally made public.

For years, there have been complaints that the buying process is opaque and unfair. The purchasing companies’ operating expenses are usually paid by the manufacturers sitting across the bargaining table, leaving them open to accusations of steering huge blocks of institutional business to the vendors willing to pay the most.

The group purchasing organizations deny this, saying they award contracts on the merits and help hospitals get good deals, saving the government money.

The savings are hard to verify, because the market’s opacity makes price comparisons nearly impossible.

Normally, Medicare’s law against kickbacks would bar vendors from paying the companies that award them contracts, but Congress granted the industry a special 'safe harbor' many years ago, in the belief that volume purchasing saved money. The senators seem to want to test that belief and perhaps change or abolish the safe harbor, something that would turn the industry on its head.

Some of the group purchasing organizations have been in the spotlight before. Premier and Novation were the subject of articles in The New York Times in 2002, which prompted Congressional hearings and the issuance of an industry code of conduct. But Senate aides said they were still hearing reports of possible abuse.

In summary, although GPOs were ostensibly set up simply to save hospitals money when purchasing supplies and equipment, these organizations have turned into huge, complicated and opaque entities whose actions are hidden, but which seem to be conveying large amounts of money back and forth among suppliers, hospitals, and the GPOs themselves. It is not at all clear that the GPOs save the hospitals money, nor get them the best possible supplies for the money they spend.

The leaders of the hospitals, including some of the countries most prestigious teaching hospitals, that own Novation and other GPOs ought to explain what these organizations really are doing, and particularly how they are supporting the hospitals' missions.

Again, this is another example of how opaque and unaccountable hospital leadership may be. But, the less transparent and accountable are health care leaders, the more the health care mission is at risk."

http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/
 
The New York attorney general’s office launched an investigation after receiving hundreds of complaints about Oxford Insurance and its parent company, UnitedHealth Group, which claims to rely on “independent research from across the health care industry” to determine reimbursement rates. In actuality though, it relies on Ingenix, a research firm owned by UnitedHealth Group.

New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo says Ingenix has been manipulating the numbers so insurance companies pay less. In a just-released report, he contends that Americans have been “under-reimbursed to the tune of at least hundreds of millions of dollars.” Although UnitedHealth Group and Oxford Insurance were the only entities investigated, other major insurers use Ingenix, including Aetna, CIGNA and WellPoint/Empire BlueCross BlueShield.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28628880/
 
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"Lawmakers eager to broaden health care coverage while holding down costs are examining the institutional market for medical supplies, a largely unseen $60 billion-a-year realm where things like bedpans and heart implants change hands.

Senators from committees like finance, judiciary and aging are investigating the practices of companies that represent big networks of hospitals, nursing homes and other institutions. These group purchasing organizations select 'preferred' manufacturers and negotiate the prices of medical products, which are a closely held secret. They then use a variety of carrots and sticks to make sure their hospitals buy those brands at the contracted price.

The senators are concerned that these groups’ practices may be inflating health costs at taxpayer expense. Much of the cost is borne by the government, as it reimburses hospital expenses through the Medicare program.

On Wednesday, the senators sent letters to the seven biggest group purchasing organizations, known as G.P.O.’s, demanding detailed information about their business practices, including how they are paid, what services they perform besides picking brands and negotiating prices, and how their revenues are affected when an affiliated hospital buys supplies on its own instead of using the group contract.

The senators also asked for copies of contracts, something not normally made public.

For years, there have been complaints that the buying process is opaque and unfair. The purchasing companies’ operating expenses are usually paid by the manufacturers sitting across the bargaining table, leaving them open to accusations of steering huge blocks of institutional business to the vendors willing to pay the most.

The group purchasing organizations deny this, saying they award contracts on the merits and help hospitals get good deals, saving the government money.

The savings are hard to verify, because the market’s opacity makes price comparisons nearly impossible.

Normally, Medicare’s law against kickbacks would bar vendors from paying the companies that award them contracts, but Congress granted the industry a special 'safe harbor' many years ago, in the belief that volume purchasing saved money. The senators seem to want to test that belief and perhaps change or abolish the safe harbor, something that would turn the industry on its head.

Some of the group purchasing organizations have been in the spotlight before. Premier and Novation were the subject of articles in The New York Times in 2002, which prompted Congressional hearings and the issuance of an industry code of conduct. But Senate aides said they were still hearing reports of possible abuse.

In summary, although GPOs were ostensibly set up simply to save hospitals money when purchasing supplies and equipment, these organizations have turned into huge, complicated and opaque entities whose actions are hidden, but which seem to be conveying large amounts of money back and forth among suppliers, hospitals, and the GPOs themselves. It is not at all clear that the GPOs save the hospitals money, nor get them the best possible supplies for the money they spend.

The leaders of the hospitals, including some of the countries most prestigious teaching hospitals, that own Novation and other GPOs ought to explain what these organizations really are doing, and particularly how they are supporting the hospitals' missions.

Again, this is another example of how opaque and unaccountable hospital leadership may be. But, the less transparent and accountable are health care leaders, the more the health care mission is at risk."

http://hcrenewal.blogspot.com/

do I understand this correctly?....you are advocating for a government program against a private system by raising the issues of problems with Medicaid and failed government oversight?......
 
America spends more on health care than it does on food.

Democrats propose to fix our inefficient and therefore expensive health care system.

The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system.

The government already pays (directly or indirectly) for more than half of health care, but the delivery of insurance and care is mainly undertaken by private insurers, for-profit hospitals, and others (like DMS companies) who add cost without adding commensurate value.

Medicaid, an increasingly crucial program that is under fiscal and political attack, is suffering from the waste and inefficiency inherent in the current system.

Medicare is the target of choice for private-sector fraudsters, many of them on the supply side. Despite that, the Kaiser Family Foundation says "Comparing common benefits, changes in Medicare spending in the last three decades has largely tracked the growth rate in private health insurance premiums. Typically, Medicare increases have been lower than those of private health insurance."

We cannot solve the long-term problem of the federal government's solvency until we address the problem of out-of-control health care costs.

Here's how the Congressional Budget Office puts it in the Long-Term Budget Outlook:

"Growth in health care spending has outstripped economic growth regardless of the source of its funding. The major factor associated with that growth has been the development and increasing use of new medical technology. In the health care field, unlike in many sectors of the economy, technological advances have generally raised costs rather than lowered them."

We cannot afford to do nothing.
 
do I understand this correctly?....you are advocating for a government program against a private system by raising the issues of problems with Medicaid and failed government oversight?......
 
do I understand this correctly?....you are advocating for a government program against a private system by raising the issues of problems with Medicaid and failed government oversight?......

do I understand this correctly?....you are advocating for a government program against a private system by raising the issues of problems with Medicaid and failed government oversight?......

^nice^

the king of trolls of course fails to answer
 
Do you think insurance company "Death Panels" are doing a good job?

You know, the claims adjusters that deny claims, the ones whose bonuses depend on turning down as many claims as possible.

A large number of Americans have health conditions that insurance companies qualify as “pre-existing conditions.” The Death Panels deny them coverage.

12.6 million non-elderly adults (36 percent of those who tried to purchase health insurance directly from an insurance company in the individual insurance market) were in fact denied by the Death Panels because of a pre-existing condition.

Thanks to the Death Panels, 1 in 10 people with cancer could not obtain health coverage, and 6 percent lost their coverage. The Death Panels exclude whole categories of illnesses related to a pre-existing condition. Someone with hay fever could have any respiratory system disease such as bronchitis or pneumonia excluded from coverage by the Death Panels.

When a person is diagnosed with an expensive condition such as cancer, insurance company Death Panels review his/her initial health status questionnaire. Insurance companies can retroactively cancel the entire policy if any condition was missed, even if the medical condition is unrelated, and even if the person was not aware of the condition at the time. Coverage can also be revoked for all members of a family, even if only one family member failed to disclose a medical condition.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/
 
Government is not a legitimate competitor. Nice attempt to use "free market" arguments to buttress an inevitable slide to totalitarianism, however.
 
I'm advocating gridlock. be strong little neocons, take inspiration from the weakass dems blocking SS reform.
 
Our position hasn't changed. Winning the election is just the start. Victory in an election wasn't the change that we sought.

We can have a real debate because health care is hard and there are some legitimate issues that have to be sorted through and worked on.

Patience is not unlimited and we are determined to get something done this year by any legislative means necessary.
 
The Democratic Party hired organizers chosen by the state parties in every state, experienced local activists who know their communities.

We brought those organizers together for summits where they learned from each other the best practices for getting organized.

The American people understand that good health is the foundation of individual achievement and economic prosperity.

Ensuring quality, affordable health care for every single American is essential to children's education, workers' productivity and businesses' competitiveness.

We believe that covering all is not just a moral imperative, but is necessary to making our health system workable and affordable.

Doing so would end cost-shifting from the uninsured, promote prevention and wellness, stop insurance discrimination, help eliminate health care disparities, and achieve savings through competition, choice, innovation, and higher quality care.

Health care reform must also provide adequate incentives for innovation to ensure that Americans have access to evidence-based and cost-effective health care.

Research should be based on science, not ideology. For the millions of Americans and their families suffering from debilitating physical and emotional effects of disease, time is a precious commodity, and it is running out.
 
The Democratic Party hired organizers chosen by the state parties in every state, experienced local activists who know their communities.

We brought those organizers together for summits where they learned from each other the best practices for getting organized.

The American people understand that good health is the foundation of individual achievement and economic prosperity.

Ensuring quality, affordable health care for every single American is essential to children's education, workers' productivity and businesses' competitiveness.

We believe that covering all is not just a moral imperative, but is necessary to making our health system workable and affordable.

Doing so would end cost-shifting from the uninsured, promote prevention and wellness, stop insurance discrimination, help eliminate health care disparities, and achieve savings through competition, choice, innovation, and higher quality care.

Health care reform must also provide adequate incentives for innovation to ensure that Americans have access to evidence-based and cost-effective health care.

Research should be based on science, not ideology. For the millions of Americans and their families suffering from debilitating physical and emotional effects of disease, time is a precious commodity, and it is running out.


except for the people you will euthanize.
 
We know where these lies are coming from. I mean, I don't think it's any secret. You know, if you just flick channels, and then stop on certain ones of them, then you'll see, you know, who's propagating this stuff.

We cannot be intimidated by some of these scare tactics. We have to understand that there are a lot of people who are invested in the status quo or make a lot of money out of it.

We've got to also understand that people are understandably nervous and worried about any significant changes when it comes to something as important as health care because it touches on your lives. It's very personal, and so they're more vulnerable to misinformation.

We are going to get health care reform done.
 
Yeah, MSNBC, See B.S. and a few others are lying quite a bit, I agree with you there DNC.

Especially MSNBC... I mean that 53% support a public option stunt? The question they supported by 53% was whether people support forcing them to cover pre-existing conditions. The public option question: 43% for 47% against... Lying newsies...
 
Yeah, MSNBC, See B.S. and a few others are lying quite a bit, I agree with you there DNC.

Especially MSNBC... I mean that 53% support a public option stunt? The question they supported by 53% was whether people support forcing them to cover pre-existing conditions. The public option question: 43% for 47% against... Lying newsies...


I love how you represent an NBC-Wall Street Journal poll as a MSNBC poll and then have the balls to call someone else a liar. That's classic.
 
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