Healthcare debate really bringing out the stupid in righties

You contend "we can come up with a far better solution than that crap."

So why haven't you?

Now stand aside.
 
froggie said:
Obtuse, them's big words, mister!

Can't see the forest for the trees, Damo?

Isn't regulation a form of intervention?
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Again, one that doesn't involve them taking hold of heath records and keeping a centralized database of your information. One that doesn't involve them looking at me personally, unless I request the aid through need.

IMO a far better option, because "government programs" that have served people throughout the ages from this particular government are not serving them well.

There is a purpose for government, directly providing health insurance is not it.
 
That's why we need Federal legislation, sweeping reforms and a public option.

The uninsured who are sick or injured don't have the luxury of waiting for the GOP any more.
 
DNC said:
That's why we need Federal legislation, sweeping reforms and a public option.

The uninsured who are sick or injured don't have the luxury of waiting for the GOP any more.
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I agree with two, but the last is a pile of poop.
 
Damocles said:
Again, one that doesn't involve them taking hold of heath records and keeping a centralized database of your information. One that doesn't involve them looking at me personally, unless I request the aid through need.

IMO a far better option, because "government programs" that have served people throughout the ages from this particular government are not serving them well.

There is a purpose for government, directly providing health insurance is not it.
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So, insurance companies won't be able to do that either? I am not being obtuse, but trying to understand clearly your position on this matter.

Government is there to represent the people and I think someone should keep private industry from growing too fat! If not the government, then who, I truly would like to know who will do the policing. I guess I am just not sure who you believe will do this.

What is the purpose of the government? To protect and serve?
 
DNC said:
What's the title of your legislation? :readit:
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There are twelve bills with better legislation languishing in Committee because your committee head holds the schedule and will not allow them to even be discussed. Pick any of them, let's discuss their merits... Of course we'll never hear the details of them, because they'll never even reach the floor of the committee.
 
Perhaps that's the price of belonging to a party that's lost touch with the electorate.

Anyway, it's your opinion that the GOP's ideas are better. If the voters agreed with you, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
froggie said:
So, insurance companies won't be able to do that either? I am not being obtuse, but trying to understand clearly your position on this matter.

Government is there to represent the people and I think someone should keep private industry from growing too fat! If not the government, then who, I truly would like to know who will do the policing. I guess I am just not sure who you believe will do this.

What is the purpose of the government? To protect and serve?
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You are being obtuse, and IMO deliberately so. What is regulation if not government policing?

The government would do the policing (that is what regulation IS), it is their place to do policing, not the providing.

Can you see the difference? One is policing (strong centralized regulation not the 50 or more different bodies regulating it) one is providing (government provided health care).

IMO, like roads and commodes there is a place for government, it simply is not as the provider of any commodity, including important commodities.
 
DNC said:
Perhaps that's the price of belonging to a party that's lost touch with the electorate.

Anyway, it's your opinion that the GOP's ideas are better. If the voters agreed with you, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Or perhaps you are disingenuous in your suggestion that any ideas would be heard other than the bad one your party is trying to foist upon us.
 
Damocles said:
One person is not a party, DNC. You are nearly always obtuse I expect it from you, Froggie rarely is I don't expect it from her.
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I guess asking questions is being obtuse, I have been dismissed...okay, whatever!
 
froggie said:
I guess asking questions is being obtuse, I have been dismissed...okay, whatever!
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I'm not "dismissing" anybody, I just want you to read what I wrote. When I speak of regulation it is "policing".

The current system with 50 different regulatory bodies is costly and inefficient, as well as deficient in some areas. We need to centralize it (I know odd for somebody like me to say that, but it makes it so that there is one body rather than 50 messing around with regulations) in order to make it far more efficient and less costly.

The disconnect we have is where you attempt to say that providing insurance is the same thing as policing other entities. If such were the case they'd indeed have been "policing"...

Providing something is not even remotely equivalent to policing it.
 
Onceler said:
Yurt - I remember you defending one of meme's lies in the same pathetic way. I think it was one of the usual distortions - she was saying people would be FORCED to engage in end-of-life planning.

Someone called her on the lie, and you jumped in and said the same essential thing (paraphrasing here): "Well, it COULD happen. Unless you can proved it could NOT happen, it's not a lie."

But it's in there in black & white. All they want to do is provide funding for end-of-life counseling, though medicare, so people have the OPTION. It's a flat-out lie to say it's mandated, or ever could be under the language of the bill.

Why is it so hard to admit that?

So yeah - I have no problem insulting people who stand by those kinds of assertions, because they're idiots. And that's not the reason support is going down. Support is going down because the campaign of fear & distortion is working.
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waaa waa waaaa
 
Amen onceler! spot on for every point you've made. I literally had this very conversation with my aunt a few minutes ago. Unfortunately the loudesst people in this argument have been dumb or maniacle conservatives harping on death panels, as evidenced on this board. I'd like to here more about how this will be a standalone entity like the post office and Ild like them to get into how this is going to be sustainable etc...like you said there are points that can be made by the right but we have convince the same dummies that thought iraq was a good idea that we won't be euthanizing their grandmothers.
 
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