Long distance road trips and EVs

Nordberg said:
The idea that Repubs want to return to the past is shown here. They will be dragged into the future kicking and screaming all the way. Once they get there, they will appreciate it and claim they were always for it.
Long-distance trips are not a new problem the rightys came up with. The government is installing fast-charginhttps://www.greenbiz.com/article/8-electric-truck-and-van-companies-watch-2020g stations across the country to address that specific problem. Trucks are going electric too.
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No, they aren't. There are no electric semi-trucks. Carrying around bulky batteries only reduces useful payload.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It doesn't take all night.
ThatOwlWoman said:
I don't know what the cost is. No doubt the hope is that visitors will park and charge, and while waiting go inside and spend a bunch of money. Meijer and Walmart are both popular places where tourists stop to stock up before hitting the campgrounds and/or their summer places. One of our neighbors has a Tesla. Next time we run into him I'll ask about that. I'm curious too.

Okay, just found this. It's very dated (from 2015) but does address the Tesla super-charging stations like our Meijer has. I believe that they are only for Teslas but can't swear to it.

"My loaner Tesla's display informed me I was gaining 162 miles of range per half-hour from a 315-amp (368-volt) connection. "
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So every 162 miles you have to waste a half hour charging. Gotit.

That's a lame way to travel cross country.
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ThatOwlWoman said:
What do you mean by that? That they'll bring down the time to charge even more? People won't want to wait that long?

Like most people, when we go on long road trips we try to combine stopping for fuel with eating. If we had an EV we'd plug it in, go eat, come back and be on our way. Not much different than with a gas-powered vehicle.
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You aren't talking about long road trips. You are talking about stopping every 160 miles or less and wasting a half hour recharging.

A gas vehicle need not stop.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
do other states have charging stations?......

interesting.......California and New Jersey have the worst numbers when it comes to charging stations.......41 electric vehicles per charging station.......Wyoming is the best......only 4 electric vehicles per station.......
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Sounds more like CA and NJ have more EVs per capita than does WY.
 
Into the Night said:
Correct. These ranges are under ideal conditions and no load.
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saw a video where they did actual tests with a Tesla with various load scenarios. Just a bike rack (with bikes) made a pretty dramatic difference. Not as much as running the heater but a lot.

I see they are moving to using heat pumps for heat and cool but that still wont help in cold environments.

They can make sense for some climates and purposes but its limited.
 
Celticguy said:
saw a video where they did actual tests with a Tesla with various load scenarios. Just a bike rack (with bikes) made a pretty dramatic difference. Not as much as running the heater but a lot.

I see they are moving to using heat pumps for heat and cool but that still wont help in cold environments.

They can make sense for some climates and purposes but its limited.
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My gas cars would run out of gas if I did not refill them.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
What do you mean by that? That they'll bring down the time to charge even more? People won't want to wait that long?

Like most people, when we go on long road trips we try to combine stopping for fuel with eating. If we had an EV we'd plug it in, go eat, come back and be on our way. Not much different than with a gas-powered vehicle.
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That's fine if that's how you drive long distance. I don't do that, and really never have. My version of driving long distance is drive. That is I drive, and drive, and drive some more. I stop only to fill the tank, use the pisser, and maybe grab some snacks while the vehicle fills. In, out, and back on the road in say 10 minutes or less. If it's a really long drive, like a multi-state (Western states not the little postage stamps back East), you drive from early morning until well after dark and then stay at a hotel--maybe. If not, sleep in the vehicle at a rest stop, or spot off the interstate at a convenient exit.

You cannot do that in an EV.

The drive from Phoenix to San Dog, or LA is tank up in Phoenix before leaving, fill again in either Yuma or Quartzsite before entering Cali (save about $15 to $20 for the fill up), and then arrive in SD or LA about 2 or 3 in the afternoon, if not a bit earlier. Got those trips down pat. The stop in Yuma or Quartzsite is to fill up and not much more.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's fine if that's how you drive long distance. I don't do that, and really never have. My version of driving long distance is drive. That is I drive, and drive, and drive some more. I stop only to fill the tank, use the pisser, and maybe grab some snacks while the vehicle fills. In, out, and back on the road in say 10 minutes or less. If it's a really long drive, like a multi-state (Western states not the little postage stamps back East), you drive from early morning until well after dark and then stay at a hotel--maybe. If not, sleep in the vehicle at a rest stop, or spot off the interstate at a convenient exit.

You cannot do that in an EV.

The drive from Phoenix to San Dog, or LA is tank up in Phoenix before leaving, fill again in either Yuma or Quartzsite before entering Cali (save about $15 to $20 for the fill up), and then arrive in SD or LA about 2 or 3 in the afternoon, if not a bit earlier. Got those trips down pat. The stop in Yuma or Quartzsite is to fill up and not much more.
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Do you know anyone who would attempt to fly to Europe in a helicopter? Of course you don't, because they aren't meant for that.

EVs are perfect for fleets in cities, and buses. Imagine if every city switched to EVs that could be charged in a secure location at night. They are not meant for mountainous areas or for long distance driving.

Used properly, EVs are great.
 
Althea said:
Do you know anyone who would attempt to fly to Europe in a helicopter? Of course you don't, because they aren't meant for that.

EVs are perfect for fleets in cities, and buses. Imagine if every city switched to EVs that could be charged in a secure location at night. They are not meant for mountainous areas or for long distance driving.

Used properly, EVs are great.
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They don't even work there all that great. Example: You live in a large multi-story apartment building with limited parking. There are no installed chargers in the parking area you can use. You are fucked if you own an EV. You can't recharge it because your assigned parking has no recharger. Even if the apartment put in rechargers, and you had one now, your rent goes up say $100 a month to pay for that recharger and the electricity you use. The rental company makes out and you get screwed.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
They don't even work there all that great. Example: You live in a large multi-story apartment building with limited parking. There are no installed chargers in the parking area you can use. You are fucked if you own an EV. You can't recharge it because your assigned parking has no recharger. Even if the apartment put in rechargers, and you had one now, your rent goes up say $100 a month to pay for that recharger and the electricity you use. The rental company makes out and you get screwed.
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You didn't read my post
 
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