Long distance road trips and EVs

[RB 60]

I can. But the Volt was made at 50-mile range because studiers showed 85 percent of Americans never drive more daily. So todays with 300 miles or more is nearly overkill. Because Americans use their cars sometimes on trips, the manufacturers recognized this is a problem before they started manufacturing. This is not a revelation of yours. That is why they started installing charging stations on interstates. It is also why Biden's bill includes thousands of level 3 chargers.
The Volt is fine for driving cross country. My son has a Volt and a Bolt. They drive the Bolt everywhere. My son has a job that sometimes takes him to another state, That is when he uses the Volt. Everytime he charges, he get 50 miles of electric before it goes to ICE. He does not take the Bolt to anoher state because many backwoods states have a lot fewer charging stations,.

Yet the big argument is that rising gas prices are ok, they should entice people to buy EVs and get Govt. subsidies. We in the backwoods are screwed, no?

 

[Celticguy]

It takes energy to run the heat pump.

yes but same as the heat pump in your house, it takes less.

well, unless its really cold in which case you're back to electric strips.

 

[Celticguy]

You can already see just by looking what's on the road. Those are the cars people are buying and using. Not a lot of electric cars.

right.

EVs are like 2% of production (and by extension, usage).
It could go up to maybe 20-25% for strictly around town in temperate climates and thats not nothing.
But its far from replacing ICEs.

 

[McRocket]

If you plan on long distance road trips and camping, don't buy only EVs. Simple.

It only takes 15 minutes to charge 200 miles into a Tesla at a Supercharger station.
https://www.tesla.com/support/charging

Almost no one that is driving 300+ miles is in a big hurry or they would fly.
And if you are driving - say - 600 miles for a vacation?
You top up your 300 mile-ranged EV the night before and - at most - spend all of 30 minutes charging it during the entire 8-10+ hour drive.
Big deal.

EV's today are fine for vacations, IMO.

 

[AProudLefty]

It only takes 15 minutes to charge 200 miles into a Tesla at a Supercharger station.
https://www.tesla.com/support/charging

Almost no one that is driving 400+ miles is in a big hurry or they would fly.
And if you are driving - say - 600 miles for a vacation?
You top up your 300 mile-ranged EV the night before and - at most - spend all of 30 minutes charging it during the entire 9-11 hour drive.
Big deal.

EV's today are fine for vacations.
And with gas over $4 a gallon?
A heck of a lot cheaper.

Barring something unforeseen?
EV's are the future.
Assuming they come down some more in price for the masses.

Right. Those EVs are driven within their areas. Want longer distances? Get hybrid cars. Nordberg nailed it. Best of both worlds.

Hybrids will work. They are electric for short term daily driving and ICE for trips.

Hybrids will work. They are electric for short term daily driving and ICE for trips.

Well what do you know? My guess was spot on!

What hybrid car has the longest range?

10 Hybrid Cars With the Longest Range

2022 Toyota Camry Hybrid: 686 miles. ...
2021 Kia Sorento Hybrid: 657 miles. ...
2021 Toyota Sienna: 648 miles. ...
2022 Toyota Prius Prime: 640 miles. ...
2022 Toyota Prius: 633 miles. ...
2021 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV: 620 miles. ...
2021 Toyota Highlander Hybrid: 616 miles. ...
2021 Honda Accord Hybrid: 614 miles.

https://www.autobytel.com/hybrid-cars/car-buying-guides/10-hybrid-cars-with-the-longest-range-133065/

That's twice the distance.

 

[Into the Night]

I can. But the Volt was made at 50-mile range because studiers showed 85 percent of Americans never drive more daily.

Argument from randU fallacies. You are just making up numbers.

So todays with 300 miles or more is nearly overkill.

Try English. It works better. Who are you to decide if 300 miles is overkill??

Because Americans use their cars sometimes on trips, the manufacturers recognized this is a problem before they started manufacturing.

Compositional error fallacy.

This is not a revelation of yours. That is why they started installing charging stations on interstates.

They already exist.

It is also why Biden's bill includes thousands of level 3 chargers.

That shortens the life of the battery.

The Volt is fine for driving cross country.

Never said it wasn't. It just doesn't get as good a gas mileage as a simple gas powered car of the same size.

My son has a Volt and a Bolt. They drive the Bolt everywhere. My son has a job that sometimes takes him to another state, That is when he uses the Volt. Everytime he charges, he get 50 miles of electric before it goes to ICE. He does not take the Bolt to anoher state because many backwoods states have a lot fewer charging stations.

50 miles is nothing.

Still discounting that you have to waste a lot of time recharging an EV. A hybrid is not an EV. It is a gasoline car that has a large battery and two powerplants. You have to carry around that extra powerplant. Your mileage sucks.

 

[Into the Night]

yes but same as the heat pump in your house, it takes less.

Sorry dude. You don't get energy for free. You can't create energy out of nothing.

well, unless its really cold in which case you're back to electric strips.

Which also require energy.

 

[Into the Night]

right.

EVs are like 2% of production (and by extension, usage).
It could go up to maybe 20-25% for strictly around town in temperate climates and thats not nothing.
But its far from replacing ICEs.

Doubt it. I've known quite a few people that really got tired of the problems with the electric car. They went back to gas cars.

 

[Into the Night]

It only takes 15 minutes to charge 200 miles into a Tesla at a Supercharger station.
https://www.tesla.com/support/charging

Shortens the battery life. They are EXPENSIVE to replace.

Almost no one that is driving 300+ miles is in a big hurry or they would fly.

Not necessarily. Trucks carry much more cargo cheaper than flying it. Certain types of cargo are not allowed on aircraft at all. Oh...and aircraft require fuel. Lots of it.

And if you are driving - say - 600 miles for a vacation?

Or business.

You top up your 300 mile-ranged EV the night before and - at most - spend all of 30 minutes charging it during the entire 8-10+ hour drive.

Nope. It will take longer to charge.

Big deal.
EV's today are fine for vacations, IMO.

Enjoy sitting around at the charging station. I'll be on my way.

 

[Into the Night]

Right. Those EVs are driven within their areas. Want longer distances? Get hybrid cars. Nordberg nailed it. Best of both worlds.

Not really. Hybrid cars have to carry two powerplants instead of one. They get lousier gas mileage than a simple gas car of the same size. A hybrid is a compromise...that's all.

 

[AProudLefty]

Not really. Hybrid cars have to carry two powerplants instead of one. They get lousier gas mileage than a simple gas car of the same size. A hybrid is a compromise...that's all.

Show the mpgs of those "powerplants" cars.

 

[Yakuda]

You cannot say that. The gas hogs of rightys are terrible for the environment and waste gas.

Which "gas hogs" are those?

 

[Yakuda]

How does that even work? You have to stay at the grocery store overnight? How to pay for the charging?

Or you could just fill your tank and be on your way

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

They get worse gas mileage than a simple gasoline car of the same size.

I can verify that, I have a 2019 Ram with the e-torque motor, it gets worse mileage than a truck without it

 

[Into the Night]

Show the mpgs of those "powerplants" cars.

Invalid rating. Use the hmpg rating.

 

[Celticguy]

Sorry dude. You don't get energy for free. You can't create energy out of nothing.

Which also require energy.

Heat in an ICE car comes from energy as well its just what otherwise would have been lost energy.

 

[Celticguy]

Doubt it. I've known quite a few people that really got tired of the problems with the electric car. They went back to gas cars.

AS I said, not for everybody. Just a matter of how many. Main qualifier is desire to virtue signal.

 

[McRocket]

Right. Those EVs are driven within their areas. Want longer distances? Get hybrid cars. Nordberg nailed it. Best of both worlds.

Did you not read my post?
You can recharge a Tesla for 200 miles in 15 minutes.
Almost NO ONE who is going hundreds of miles is in that much of a hurry that an extra 10 minutes for charging is going to matter.
NO ONE with a 300+ mile EV and access to supercharging needs a hybrid.
They would just fly if they were in a hurry and going over 300+ miles.

And - with respect - hybrids are the WORST of both worlds.
They have ALL the maintenance issues of a regular vehicle.
All the added costs/weight of BOTH EV's and regular vehicles.
With few, practical benefits.

They made some sense back when EV's were only good for about 100 miles.
But now?
With a Chevy Bolt with a 259 miles range starting at $31,500 (for example)?
https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-ev
You'd be an automotive idiot to buy a hybrid in 2022...no offense.

 

[Into the Night]

Heat in an ICE car comes from energy as well its just what otherwise would have been lost energy.

So it's essentially free. You can vent it to the outside, or you can vent it into the cabin. Your choice.

 

[Into the Night]

AS I said, not for everybody. Just a matter of how many. Main qualifier is desire to virtue signal.

Seems to be. It's sure showing up that way here on JPP.