Top Iraqi Source: In 5 Years Iraq will be a Colony of Iran

uscitizen said:
Wrong in My case, I predicted it would be a pretty long quagmire type of thing and would fall back to chaos if or when we left. I was always against the invasion.

the right were the ones thinking it would be a democratic US colony with us welcomed with open arms as liberators.
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Again, absolutely correct.

The left knew it would end in disaster.
 
charver said:
Remember the the 'democratic domino effect' theory, whereby the entire middle east was suddenly going to democratise using Iraq as a shining beacon in the darkness?

That went well.
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We never learned that piece of smoke and mirrors even though it was the same smoke and mirrors "rational" of the Vietnam War .. that never materialized.
 
charver said:
Remember the the 'democratic domino effect' theory, whereby the entire middle east was suddenly going to democratise using Iraq as a shining beacon in the darkness?

That went well.
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Yeah remember the election in a neighboring state of Israel.
LOL,
I have never seen such quick flip flopping.
Be careful what you ask for you might get it.
Democracies are not all llike the USA. Thank Gawd!
 
blackascoal said:
The Taliban are AFGHANIS .. everyone else is an invader .. thus THEY are not supported by the Afghani people .. never have.

“It’s going to be an uphill fight to eradicate the Taliban from Afghanistan and Pakistan,” said Ivan Eeland of the Independent Institute in the US, commenting on Obama’s speech on the mission’s new strategy.

“The US mission in Afghanistan has increased the Taliban’s and militants’ activities in Pakistan. I’m not sure that the actions by the US are stabilizing the situation,” said Eeland.
http://www.russiatoday.com/Politics..._in_Afghanistan_making_Taliban_stronger_.html

Not only is Afghanistan getting deadlier for American troops .. as was the case in Iraq .. the rest of the world (NATO) doesn't believe in this fight and are backing off.

At what point do Americans figure out that war is a racket?

Answer: Never

Beyond the capacity of colonized minds.
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Yes war is a racket.

War is also sometimes the only way to protect the innocent and defeat oppressors.

The mess was there and the war was there already when Obama took office.

If we left Afganistan the Taliban would take over the country and then Pakistan.

I dont like war BAC but going into afganistan was about the only thing I agreed with Bush on.

He then used it as a springboard to attack Iraq.

He starved the effort and ignored the generals advice.

Obama is now listening to the generals.
 
evince said:
Yes war is a racket.

War is also sometimes the only way to protect the innocent and defeat oppressors.

The mess was there and the war was there already when Obama took office.

If we left Afganistan the Taliban would take over the country and then Pakistan.

I dont like war BAC but going into afganistan was about the only thing I agreed with Bush on.

He then used it as a springboard to attack Iraq.

He starved the effort and ignored the generals advice.

Obama is now listening to the generals.
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My good sister .. we are not in Afghanistan to protect the innocent or defeat oppressors. We are there for business.

We kill innocent people who get in the way of business.

On war, Obama is no different than Bush, democrats are no different than republicans.

The generals are telling Obama that we're losing .. the rest of the world is telling him to fuck off .. as they should.
 
maineman said:
that is bullshit. no one on the left was predicting that Iraq would welcome us with rose petals in front of our tanks... no one on the left was predicting statues of George Bush in every town square throughout Iraq.

The left, for the most part, knew that this would be a shit hole and that removing Saddam would have negative long term effects in the region.... not the least of which would be the inevitable exertion of Iranian influence over a shiite Iraq.
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We were a very lonely bunch is what I remember.

I was told several times when I predicted the violence that would follow with our occupation, that I was anti-American.
 
charver said:
Remember the the 'democratic domino effect' theory, whereby the entire middle east was suddenly going to democratise using Iraq as a shining beacon in the darkness?

That went well.
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It is still going... I keep hearing ten years, I scoff at that. We still aren't out of Japan or Germany.
 
uscitizen said:
I would not suprise me at all BAC. We removed Sadam who was a big opponent of Iran.
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Geez, someone didn't do their homework before they invaded,did they, or they planned to be the opponent, which is what I think was the plan! It didn't happen. Things didn't work quite like the three stooges thought that it would.
 
blackascoal said:
What will happen in Iraq is as clear as day .. just as it has always been. Iran is the only winner there.

Our presence in Afghanistan only makes the Taliban stronger and recruits more to their cause. History has it own say about whether Afghanistan can be contriolled by foreigners .. which of course is what you're talking about.

AS for Pakistan .. SEE: The ISI.
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The Bush Legacy!
 
blackascoal said:
My good sister .. we are not in Afghanistan to protect the innocent or defeat oppressors. We are there for business.

We kill innocent people who get in the way of business.

On war, Obama is no different than Bush, democrats are no different than republicans.

The generals are telling Obama that we're losing .. the rest of the world is telling him to fuck off .. as they should.
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ARRRRGGGHHHHHH, every time I hear the truth it just makes me crazy all over, again!
 
Does the right wing nutz actually convince themselves of stuff like the left thought Iraq would be a conlony of the USA?
I guess they are brianwashed by the pundits of their choice.
 
Yurt said:
doesn't mean they are colonies....and pray tell, how well are those countries doing?
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Not too well right now.
But most everyone has healthcare in them.

Are you trying to say we are still there to keep Germany and Japan from rising and becoming a threat?
 
froggie said:
We were a very lonely bunch is what I remember.

I was told several times when I predicted the violence that would follow with our occupation, that I was anti-American.
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amazing how quickly those on the right forget. Yep I was against the war from before it was an invasion. I had trouble believing we would preemptively invade a sovern nation on such flimsy evidence.

And yet I was unamerican and a supporter of terrorists, etc....
You are either with us or against us. Well I was for America but against the "us".

Mushroom clouds in america in 45 min.
Anthrax!
They cut your heads off!
But hey they said they doubted it would last 6 months.
And just cost a little.
"we won't have any casualties"
using WP and such in violation of rules.
Mission was declared accompolished how many years and deaths ago?
Abu Grabass was just college pranks.
A little waterboarding never hurt anyone.

then it became get Sadam he is a bad guy.
Then bring democracy to Iraq.
I am not sure what the rationale on the right is right now for their justification.

This is the second time I have seen our nation do this and I cannot ever forgive those responsible. I was involved in the first time and thought perhaps we had learned....
 
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Only because I'm bored....

Response to Post 7US
First Gulf War....
a military conflict initiated by a coalition force from 34 nations, with United Nations authorization, between Iraq and the coalition with the purpose of expelling Iraqi forces from Kuwait after Iraq's occupation and annexation of Kuwait in August 1990.
Enlighten me...what was "our involvement in the lead up to Gulf war 1."?

To Post 3 and Post 10US and Maineman
Our fault? Bush's fault ? Yet it was US Policy; that is the policy of Bill CLINTON and his Democrat Administration back in 1998, that Saddam be removed as the head of Iraq...a policy established long before Bush

To Post 16Froggie
Only an idiot would say the US EVER intended to 'steal' Iraqi oil....obviously we didn't steal any oil and didn't in any fashion try to steal any oil...even though we hoped their oil would help pay the cost of their gaining freedom ...

To Post 17Maineman
[The left, for the most part, knew that this would be a shit hole and that removing Saddam would have negative long term effects in the region]

Really? See Clinton Administration policy concerning Iraq....

to Post 33US
[Does the right wing nutz actually convince themselves of stuff like the left thought Iraq would be a conlony of the USA?
I guess they are brianwashed by the pundits of their choice. ]

You assert some demented nonsense and attribute it to the 'right' ? Sorry pinhead, nobody, right or left ever claimed Iraq would be a "conlony" of the USA...whatever the fuck that is...The hope was they would embrace some form of democracy of their choosing
 
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