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so nothing happening now in afghanistan is obama's responsibility or fault?
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so nothing happening now in afghanistan is obama's responsibility or fault?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Sure, just toss a few cruise missiles over there like Clinton did, pissing them off and setting us up for terrorist attacks, and eventually for 9-11. Real fucking smart.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Zero, zilch, nada. The liberals take it balls-on-chin for this guy.
uscitizen
Villified User
Only the fact that he did not pullout. But then it is a UN thing so that is a bit more difficult I would think?
But what about Iraq? I fault Obama worse for not pulling out fast there.
But then Bush left a huge mess to clean up there.
How long is uscitizen gonna keep that fuckin' lie in his sig....
its making him look rather stupid along with being a partisan pinhead....
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FACT:
Now....2009....
the deficit for the current year is expected to be at $1.58 trillion, the highest since World War II.
US fiscal deficit is projected to touch a staggering $9.05 trillion in the next ten years.(Obamanomics)
Uh, yeah. That's why LBJ was run out of office by massive vietnam war protests.
Listen, you bush loving hack. You had george bush's dick down your throat for 8 years. And you were loving every minute of it. You helped lie us into an optional war because you simply wanted to kill some ay-rabs.
Piss off. You've got a lot of nerve telling any liberal they are not anti-war enough for you.
Half a million innocent people would be alive, if you and a few thousand others hadn't enthusiastically voted for george dumbya bush twice.
I'm perfectly willing to discuss Obama's war posture with people who can credibly claim to be anti-war. You're just a bush-loving poseur, who ain't worth the time talking to about iraq. Your war.
Your not even willing to admit to the historical fact that without the Democratic votes approving the War Resolution, there would be no war...
Votes from John Kerry (would be Dem President)....Hillary Clinton (would be Dem President) and many other LEADERS in the DimDem Jackass Party...
Demwit
uscitizen alternate login
Bush did double the national debt.
5-10 trillion give or take a few billion.
check the govt figures.
Do you know the difference between nominal dollars (does not adjust for inflation and real economic growth) and numbers that are adjusted for inflation and GDP?
Do you also know that the "full debt" numbers includes the amount the government owes itself? (accounting gimmick)
Anyway, the debt did not increase even nominally by 100% over 8 years under Bush. It did increase, but only by 72%
The Total Debt (dollars) 2000: $5,628.7B 2008: $9,654.4B; which makes a 72% increase in nominal total debt.
Now, if you only use debt that the government doesn't owe itself it changes again...
Debt Held by the Public (China, you and I in bonds):
2000: $3,409.8B 2008: $5,428.6B Which makes for an increase of 59%.
Now if we do it by total debt (allowing for the increase in GDP and inflation we get even more different numbers:
Total Debt (%GDP): 2000: 58.0% 2008: 67.5% For an increase of: 16%
Held by Public (%GDP): 2000: 35.1% 2008: 37.9% For an increase of: 8%
When actually taking GDP and inflation into account Bush spent us into less debt on average than the Previous Presidents. While he spent like a drunken democrat he did it marginally more responsibly than people want to believe.
What the government owes to SS recipients is counted in both the "privately held" and the total debt. That isn't money that is owed to itself, it is money borrowed from the people without their regard or acceptance.
You clearly do not understand accounting, I took the gimmick out I didn't add one in.
uscitizen
Villified User
As of September 30, 2000 and 1999, federal debt managed by the bureau
totaled about $5,659 billion and $5,641 billion, respectively, for moneys
borrowed to fund the government’s operations. These balances consisted
of approximately (1) $3,439 billion as of September 30, 2000, and $3,668
billion as of September 30, 1999, of debt held by the public and about
(2) $2,220 billion as of September 30, 2000, and $1,973 billion as of
September 30, 1999, of intragovernmental holdings.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/feddebt/feddebt_ann2000.pdf
As of September 30, 2008 and 2007, federal debt managed by the bureau totaled about $10,011 billion and $8,993 billion, respectively, primarily for moneys borrowed to fund the federal government’s operations. As shown on the Schedules of Federal Debt, these balances consisted of approximately (1) $5,809 billion as of September 30, 2008, and $5,049 billion as of September 30, 2007, of debt held by the public and about
(2) $4,202 billion as of September 30, 2008, and $3,944 billion as of September 30, 2007, of intragovernmental debt holdings.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/feddebt/feddebt_ann2008.pdf
totaled about $5,659 billion and $5,641 billion, respectively, for moneys
borrowed to fund the government’s operations. These balances consisted
of approximately (1) $3,439 billion as of September 30, 2000, and $3,668
billion as of September 30, 1999, of debt held by the public and about
(2) $2,220 billion as of September 30, 2000, and $1,973 billion as of
September 30, 1999, of intragovernmental holdings.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/feddebt/feddebt_ann2000.pdf
As of September 30, 2008 and 2007, federal debt managed by the bureau totaled about $10,011 billion and $8,993 billion, respectively, primarily for moneys borrowed to fund the federal government’s operations. As shown on the Schedules of Federal Debt, these balances consisted of approximately (1) $5,809 billion as of September 30, 2008, and $5,049 billion as of September 30, 2007, of debt held by the public and about
(2) $4,202 billion as of September 30, 2008, and $3,944 billion as of September 30, 2007, of intragovernmental debt holdings.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/feddebt/feddebt_ann2008.pdf