"Scalise says red flag laws are ‘unconstitutional"

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"House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) on Sunday said he does not support legislation on red flag laws, calling them “unconstitutional” and a non-solution to a broader debate on how to curb gun violence."

"Scalise told “Fox News Sunday” host John Roberts that red flag laws, implemented in 19 states across the U.S., are unconstitutional because authorities violate a Second Amendment right to bear arms when they seize firearms from an individual a court deems is a threat."

https://thehill.com/news/sunday-talk-shows/3512317-scalise-says-red-flag-laws-are-unconstitutional/

Let me see if I got this straight, the right, who keep saying escalating gun deaths in America are due to mental health problems, oppose removing guns from the property of those deemed mentally unfit, is that correct? If a third party goes infront of a court and shows evidence that the concerned individual is struggling with mental issues, an exact situation that the right tells us needs to be done, Steve thinks it is improper and illegal then to remove that person's access to guns?

Amazing how many times and ways the right attempts to deflect off of the crisis of guns in America the more they expose themselves as puppets of the gun manufactures
 
archives said:
"House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) on Sunday said he does not support legislation on red flag laws, calling them “unconstitutional” and a non-solution to a broader debate on how to curb gun violence."

"Scalise told “Fox News Sunday” host John Roberts that red flag laws, implemented in 19 states across the U.S., are unconstitutional because authorities violate a Second Amendment right to bear arms when they seize firearms from an individual a court deems is a threat."

https://thehill.com/news/sunday-talk-shows/3512317-scalise-says-red-flag-laws-are-unconstitutional/

Let me see if I got this straight, the right, who keep saying escalating gun deaths in America are due to mental health problems, oppose removing guns from the property of those deemed mentally unfit, is that correct? If a third party goes infront of a court and shows evidence that the concerned individual is struggling with mental issues, an exact situation that the right tells us needs to be done, Steve thinks it is improper and illegal then to remove that person's access to guns?

Amazing how many times and ways the right attempts to deflect off of the crisis of guns in America the more they expose themselves as puppets of the gun manufactures
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the problem is getting guns back after they are seized by red flags. owners need to go to court to get their Constitutional rights back and their seized guns

Im fine with red flags -just how useful they are i dont know, but some of these shooters showed all kinds of psychosis
But the seizure should only be for a certain short time period,and then a court order of mental incapacity would be needed to hold the guns - not the burden placed on the individual who guns are seized
 
dukkha said:
the problem is getting guns back after they are seized by red flags. owners need to go to court to get their Constitutional rights back and their seized guns

Im fine with red flags -just how useful they are i dont know, but some of these shooters showed all kinds of psychosis
But the seizure should only be for a certain short time period,and then a court order of mental incapacity would be needed to hold the guns - not the burden placed on the individual who guns are seized
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Why would a person judged by a Court as mentally unstable need to "get guns back?" And it would seem that person is the one who has to display he has moved beyond his difficulties

And if you are an advocate of focusing on mental health as the solution how can you also be opposed to red flag laws as Stevie apparently is here?
 
archives said:
Why would a person judged by a Court as mentally unstable need to "get guns back?" And it would seem that person is the one who has to display he has moved beyond his difficulties

And if you are an advocate of focusing on mental health as the solution how can you also be opposed to red flag laws as Stevie apparently is here?
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the guns are removed by petition - not an adversarial hearing..im not 100% sure on the process to get them back, but there needs to be judicial recourse for the owner
I dont oppose red flags -read it again
 
dukkha said:
the guns are removed by petition - not an adversarial hearing..im not 100% sure on the process to get them back, but there needs to be judicial recourse for the owner
I dont oppose red flags -read it again
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So do you think it is unconstitutional as Stevie does?
 
dukkha said:
the guns are removed by petition - not an adversarial hearing..im not 100% sure on the process to get them back, but there needs to be judicial recourse for the owner
I dont oppose red flags -read it again
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So do you think it is unconstitutional as Stevie does?
 
archives said:
So do you think it is unconstitutional as Stevie does?
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no. as long as there is recourse,
I think red flags are a much better way to go then trying to ban semi-automatics

I'd be for laws regulating clip sizes - but only for new gun models,
as many older guns have clips with more then 10 bullets
 
dukkha said:
the problem is getting guns back after they are seized by red flags. owners need to go to court to get their Constitutional rights back and their seized guns

Im fine with red flags -just how useful they are i dont know, but some of these shooters showed all kinds of psychosis
But the seizure should only be for a certain short time period,and then a court order of mental incapacity would be needed to hold the guns - not the burden placed on the individual who guns are seized
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Lot of common sense here. I can why those on the left are having a hard time getting their head around it.
 
Sailor said:
Lot of common sense here. I can why those on the left are having a hard time getting their head around it.
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because it's politicized?? :rolleyes:
assaut rifle bans dont do anything. get the guns out of the hands of deranged minds and let others own them

It's not the rifle or pistol -it's the shooter that does the killing
 
Sailor said:
Lot of common sense here. I can why those on the left are having a hard time getting their head around it.
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"getting their heads around it," it isn't "the left" who is saying mental health is reason for escalating gun violence while equally saying guns shouldn't be removed from those experiencing mental issues, it is individuals as yourself there "popyeye"
 
Sailor said:
Lot of common sense here. I can why those on the left are having a hard time getting their head around it.
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"getting their heads around it," it isn't "the left" who is saying mental health is reason for escalating gun violence while equally saying guns shouldn't be removed from those experiencing mental issues, it is individuals as yourself there "popyeye"
 
archives said:
Why would a person judged by a Court as mentally unstable need to "get guns back?" And it would seem that person is the one who has to display he has moved beyond his difficulties

And if you are an advocate of focusing on mental health as the solution how can you also be opposed to red flag laws as Stevie apparently is here?
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Courts don't have to make that decision. An unhappy neighbor can.
 
archives said:
"getting their heads around it," it isn't "the left" who is saying mental health is reason for escalating gun violence while equally saying guns shouldn't be removed from those experiencing mental issues, it is individuals as yourself there "popyeye"
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This as expected is just useless, mindless drivel. A true democrat. Dumb as fuck.
 
archives said:
"getting their heads around it," it isn't "the left" who is saying mental health is reason for escalating gun violence while equally saying guns shouldn't be removed from those experiencing mental issues, it is individuals as yourself there "popyeye"
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This as expected is just useless, mindless drivel. A true democrat. Dumb as fuck.
 
dukkha said:
because it's politicized?? :rolleyes:
assaut rifle bans dont do anything. get the guns out of the hands of deranged minds and let others own them

It's not the rifle or pistol -it's the shooter that does the killing
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Sure they do, decreases the number of assault weapons others can access, and we all know, accessing guns is easy

And the "shooter does the killing" is lame, Stephan Paddock could have all the plans he wanted but no way he would have killed fifty nine people and shot over four hundred in under eleven minutes if it weren't for the guns
 
archives said:
"House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) on Sunday said he does not support legislation on red flag laws, calling them “unconstitutional” and a non-solution to a broader debate on how to curb gun violence."

"Scalise told “Fox News Sunday” host John Roberts that red flag laws, implemented in 19 states across the U.S., are unconstitutional because authorities violate a Second Amendment right to bear arms when they seize firearms from an individual a court deems is a threat."

https://thehill.com/news/sunday-talk-shows/3512317-scalise-says-red-flag-laws-are-unconstitutional/

Let me see if I got this straight, the right, who keep saying escalating gun deaths in America are due to mental health problems, oppose removing guns from the property of those deemed mentally unfit, is that correct? If a third party goes infront of a court and shows evidence that the concerned individual is struggling with mental issues, an exact situation that the right tells us needs to be done, Steve thinks it is improper and illegal then to remove that person's access to guns?

Amazing how many times and ways the right attempts to deflect off of the crisis of guns in America the more they expose themselves as puppets of the gun manufactures
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Who's doing the deeming? Is it pervert degenerate activists, or is it pervert degenerate activists in "officials" clothing? Something tells me that this red flag shit will be more a gun grabber initiative than an actual mental fitness issue.
 
archives said:
Why would a person judged by a Court as mentally unstable need to "get guns back?" And it would seem that person is the one who has to display he has moved beyond his difficulties

And if you are an advocate of focusing on mental health as the solution how can you also be opposed to red flag laws as Stevie apparently is here?
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That's like asking why would someone judged by a court as guilty of murder need a retrial or appeal? You do understand that there have been a lot of people found guilty of things by the judgement of a court, who it has been discovered later, were innocent of said things, right? So why the fuck would it be any different here with red flag usage???
 
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