Russia to annex Kherson Oblast

[PostmodernProphet]

NATO did the expansion,not Russia

don't be an idiot......Georgia......Crimea.......now Ukraine.......don't pretend Russia isn't expanding.....NATO is not a nation.....it is a treaty, joined by more countries due to Russia's aggression.....even Sweden is joining now......

 

[dukkha]

So you would support Mexico's right to invade the United States to recover territory forcibly taken from it.

no. that is our concern. it's US border.
Ukraine is Europe's concern, and Germany doesnt appear to be all that concerned -so why should we be?

Plus there was the damning of the canal by Ukraine - and this is a crime against civilians.

Basically I want no part of this clustefuck.. not our war

 

[dukkha]

Restoring Rail Links and Canal, Russia Seeks to Cement ‘Land Bridge’ in South
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/06/08/world/russia-ukraine-war-news
As Russia continues to pound towns and villages across eastern Ukraine, the Kremlin is trying to deepen its hold on occupied territory in the south, restoring transportation links and other key infrastructure to secure a “land bridge” from Russia to the Crimean Peninsula.

Russia’s defense minister, Sergei K. Shoigu, said on Tuesday that its military, working with Russian Railways, had repaired about 750 miles of track in southeastern Ukraine and set the conditions for “full-fledged traffic” to flow from Russia, through Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region, to occupied territory in Kherson and on to Crimea.

He also said that water was once again flowing to Crimea through the North Crimean Canal — an essential source of freshwater that Ukraine cut off in 2014 after the Kremlin annexed the peninsula, a move that Ukraine and its Western allies have termed illegal. Mr. Shoigu claimed that car traffic was now open between “continental” Russia and Crimea.

None of his claims could be independently confirmed, and the Russia-appointed head of Crimea, Sergei Aksenov, said on Wednesday that the road for car traffic was “suitable for military purposes and food delivery purposes,” but that it would be some time before it could be used by civilians.

 

[Cypress]

no. that is our concern. it's US border.
Ukraine is Europe's concern, and Germany doesnt appear to be all that concerned -so why should we be?

Plus there was the damning of the canal by Ukraine - and this is a crime against civilians.

Basically I want no part of this clustefuck.. not our war

So you believe in the law of the jungle, might makes right.


It is unequivocally false to claim Germany doesn't care if Putin invades Ukraine.

 

[dukkha]

So you believe in the law of the jungle, might makes right.

noi believe in staying out of foreign wars. We have gone so far with zillions of high tech weapons
it's now become a war against Russia,, Austin/Biden confirm this

It is unequivocally false to claim Germany doesn't care if Putin invades Ukraine.

Ukraine cant even say if they got the promised helmets. Germany is Europe's richest nation
and plans on expanding it's military ( i have to find the source)
Let them take the lead.

 

[moon]

odd, I clearly recall the neighbors invading Israel......is your memory faulty?......

There was NO ISRAEL when the Arab league stepped in to defend Palestine from Zionist aggression, only a unilateral declaration . Even then, the Zionist invaders declared their state over and beyond the territory ascribed to them by law. You'll require a bandage for that foot.

 

[moon]

So it's ok to murder the shoeshine boy but not ok to murder Don? And you think I am the wierdo?

" OK " represents your usual invented additions to debates . You should learn to concentrate on the substance instead of conjuring smoke to suit your own ends.

 

[Matt Dillon]

no.....Russian expansion is the predicate.....I don't really care what Putin wants......just like I didn't care what Saddam wanted when he invaded Kuwait......

Now that was different..it really was. Bush picked Saddam to throw the U.S. military at for personal reasons, bro.

People the Bushes used to have dinner with: Osama Bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein. I would turn any dinner invitations from the Bushes down flatly. It's a good way to get dead.

 

[Matt Dillon]

noi believe in staying out of foreign wars. We have gone so far with zillions of high tech weapons
it's now become a war against Russia,, Austin/Biden confirm this




Ukraine cant even say if they got the promised helmets. Germany is Europe's richest nation
and plans on expanding it's military ( i have to find the source)
Let them take the lead.

Their army is a joke. Merkel did a lot of damage. I think they have somebody good now.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Do you actually care ? If so- why ?

We're allied with Romania.

 

[moon]

We're allied with Romania.

Really ? How come we don't give a hoot about the Roma ?

 

[dukkha]

When did NATO invade another country?

dont play stupid. I said NATO expansion"

How NATO's expansion helped drive Putin to invade Ukraine
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer
here is some disagreement about what took place during the Baker-Gorbachev talks in February 1990. Some say that when Baker suggested that NATO shift not "one inch" to the east, he intended to refer only to East Germany, because neither side had begun to think about NATO expansion beyond that.

Seemingly conflicting comments from U.S. officials and Gorbachev made years later do not help clear this up. (Former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said as recently as Friday that "nobody was even imagining Czechoslovakia or Poland or Hungary at that time.")

The historical record shows otherwise, according to Sarotte. Contemporaneous notes, letters, speeches and interviews show that Western leaders were, in fact, already contemplating NATO enlargement by the time the February 1990 talks took place, she says.

 

[Cypress]

NATO did the expansion,not Russia

You have to be the most dishonest Buddhist on the planet.

NATO is a voluntary association of sovereign states which choose to join it.

Russia's military invasion and annexation of Ukraine is not even remotely equivalent.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Really ? How come we don't give a hoot about the Roma ?

(cough) Dirty Gypsies (cough)

Better than Muslim Turks, though. By a mile!

 

[dukkha]

You have to be the most dishonest Buddhist on the planet.
NATO is a voluntary association of sovereign states which choose to join it.
Russia's military invasion and annexation of Ukraine is not even remotely equivalent.

LMAO.
The dishonesty is NATO's and the predicate of this war is NATO expansion.,

I even gave a link. how many times have we gone over this?
You want Putin out even at a cost of war against Russia

I dont want nothing to do with eastern Europe's war.
So stop the mindless repitition.. TY

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

" OK " represents your usual invented additions to debates . You should learn to concentrate on the substance instead of conjuring smoke to suit your own ends.

Russia isn't a threat to Ukraine in spite of the fact that they invaded them. But Ukraine is a threat because they didn't invade and wanted to join a defensive alliance that would have prevented Russia from invading.

That is the substance that you keep avoiding when you claim NATA was a threat to Russia if Ukraine joined.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

dont play stupid. I said NATO expansion"

How NATO's expansion helped drive Putin to invade Ukraine
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer
here is some disagreement about what took place during the Baker-Gorbachev talks in February 1990. Some say that when Baker suggested that NATO shift not "one inch" to the east, he intended to refer only to East Germany, because neither side had begun to think about NATO expansion beyond that.

Seemingly conflicting comments from U.S. officials and Gorbachev made years later do not help clear this up. (Former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said as recently as Friday that "nobody was even imagining Czechoslovakia or Poland or Hungary at that time.")

The historical record shows otherwise, according to Sarotte. Contemporaneous notes, letters, speeches and interviews show that Western leaders were, in fact, already contemplating NATO enlargement by the time the February 1990 talks took place, she says.

So NATO expansion is a threat to Russia because? It reduces the number of countries Russia can invade without provocation?

 

[dukkha]

So NATO expansion is a threat to Russia because? It reduces the number of countries Russia can invade without provocation?

ya sure. Russia is going to invade Sweden, and then the Baltics - or maybe vice versa
WTF kind of stupid games are you playing

I gave you the link to NATO expansion. It's an NPR link -right up your LW alley
Read it, and dont pose this crap

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

ya sure. Russia is going to invade Sweden, and then the Baltics - or maybe vice versa
WTF kind of stupid games are you playing

I gave you the link to NATO expansion. It's an NPR link -right up your LW alley
Read it, and dont pose this crap

ya sure, like NATO is going to invade Russia.
It is more likely that Russia will invade Ukraine and Sweden than it is that NATO will invade Russia.

Oh.. that's right Russia did invade Ukraine.

 

[Cypress]

ya sure. Russia is going to invade Sweden, and then the Baltics - or maybe vice versa
WTF kind of stupid games are you playing

I gave you the link to NATO expansion. It's an NPR link -right up your LW alley
Read it, and dont pose this crap

Four months ago you laughed at Biden's warnings that Putin was preparing to invade Ukraine, and dismissed it as Russophobia.