Tens of thousands protest Chavez in Venezuela

Damocles said:
Yup. Again, pretending that pointing out something that happens elsewhere means that we are suggesting a solution for them.
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No pretense about it, kid. The US and Venezuela have had a LONG history going back to the early 1900's. Given that Venezuela is a member of OPEC and has a thriving business on US soil (i.e., Citgo) to the point where they were able to offer reduced heating oil rates to American customers where AMERICAN companies did not, it's childish to try and dismiss the machinations of what went down during the 2002 attempted coupe

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/11/29/cia_documents_show_bush_knew_of

http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/1576
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
]Stop pissing your pants, toodles. Like I told you before, Libertarians are a fucking joke.....a bunch of clowns like you who half the time spew the same bilge that can be found in NewsMax or the WND or by Malkin and the like. You just don't like being associated with yahoos like the ones storming townhall meetings. TFB, you talk like them, you get the same label.
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SmarterThanYou said:
so we can effectively place you in the left wing fringe group of total morons.

If you can match anything I've said with a "left wing fringe group" that was proven to be moronic, you may have a case. If you can't, and all you've got is your opinion, then your assertion is worthless.

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Translation: STY gets his panties in a bunch whenever I point out how is BS is EXACTLY in step with the rest of the neocon parrots. His self delusion of intellectual superiority is a joke, like his screen name, like his proud "libertarian badge".
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and yet, every single time here, i'm able to ground your position and argument in to dust. speaks worlds for your inneffectiveness and lack of intelligence.
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Only in your deluded little mind, bunky...which relies solely on repetition, willful ignorance, distortion of the facts and denial, as the recorded posts show. Carry on.
 
blackascoal said:
Chavez isn't perfect .. but he's supported by his people and has advanced their quality of life exponentially.
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And THAT is what is driving the little desposed oligarchs in Venezuela and their American neocon suppoters crazy. The family controlled media that was/is loyal to the former Venezuelan gov't has been the source of most American coverage (do we still have foreign correspondents from the major news networks?). No wonder they scream bloody murder about nationalization....they weren't about the nation, just certain and specific members of that nation.

I won't blindly support all that Chavez does, but I damn sure won't support the neocon BS against him either.
 
Ice Dancer said:
It's the glazed eyed left who have been trained to think Chavez is a good man...he's an arrogant megalomaniac...

This thread is about the tens of thousands of ...wait for it...VENEZUELANS who want the man and his fascist policies gone.

Here's a free thinking Chavez in action

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKN0520744720090905
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Tens of thousands of PEOPLE spread out over SEVERAL South American countries, NOT just Venezuela alone....as anyone can see if they READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY.

Once again, distortions of the facts come readily to the neocon punditry and parrots.
 
Originally Posted by Topspin
get back to me when Chavez gets them clean drinking water and sanitation.
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blackascoal said:
I'm back ...

Alternatives to Corporate Globalization: Venezuela's ALBA

Since the election of Hugo Chávez as president of Venezuela in 1998, a fundamental shift is taking place. For the first time, oil revenues are being used to provide health care, education, clean water, subsidized food,
electricity, and other basic services to all Venezuelan citizens – and especially the poor who were marginalized under previous neoliberal governments.

But the impacts of Venezuela’s new economic model are not just benefiting the citizens of Venezuela. A fundamental aspect of Venezuela’s vision for the future of Latin America is creating an alternative to the neoliberal model of corporate globalization that will roll back the growing scourge of poverty in the region.

According to the UN, 222 million people - 43% of the population of Latin America - are poor, with 96 million – nearly one in five – living on less than a buck a day.

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A key aspect of Venezuela’s opposition to corporate globalization is regarding the privatization of services like health care, education, and distribution of water, which are guaranteed in Venezuela’s Constitution.

Education: For example, Venezuela has accomplished a massive literacy campaign that has taught over 1.4 million Venezuelans how to read and write. Venezuela has also built or refurbished over 9,000 elementary schools, vastly increasing enrollment, and now provides lunches to disadvantaged schoolchildren.

Water: Venezuela has been carrying out a large-scale project to ensure clean water to all Venezuelan citizens. Lack of access to clean water is the single biggest killer of poor people worldwide, yet privatizing water is a top
agenda of the corporations promoting globalization.

http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/americas/venezuela/VZneoliberalismALBA.pdf

Venezuela

Something unprecedented is happening in Venezuela. Since the election of Hugo Chavez in 1999 Venezuela has embarked on a profound and controversial project of reinventing society from within, changing a political and economic system that benefits the few and powerful to one that gives ordinary Venezuelans a seat at the table.

Now, for the first time, millions of Venezuelans have access to education, job training, housing, land, clean water, health care, and something maybe even more precious: dignity.

While the personality of Hugo Chavez monopolizes the headlines and the mainstream media reduces complex issues to simplistic soundbites, the reality of the Venezuelan revolution is complex, contradictory and ever-changing. With new spaces for political participation opened to grassroots social movements, once-marginalized Venezuelan citizens have come out of the shadows to demand an active role in society.

Community-based health care missions now bring medical services to poor neighborhoods. Educational programs are putting millions more children into new schools, while new university opportunities are providing higher education to Venezuelans previously shut out of the system. At the same time, women, indigenous peoples, and Afro-Venezuelans are gaining stature and rights, while a high-profile agrarian reform campaign is giving poor farmers access to land.

Venezuela is also becoming a leader in regional integration, particularly in the promotion of viable alternatives to corporate globalization and the "free trade" economic model. The proposed Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas (ALBA) would prioritize regional cooperation to strengthen Latin American economies. Venezuela also helped create the Bank of the South, an alternative source of funding for development in Latin America, TeleSur, a Latin American news channel, and PetroAmérica— the first fully integrated, Latin American oil company.
http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/americas/venezuela/

I recognize that living conditions getting better is not good news to you because all you're interested in is PROFITS. I have other interests when it comes to Venezuela or anywhere else .. what benefits the people is my concern, not what benefits corporations.

Venezuela is not dependent on US taxpayers for a dime .. yet Israel is and in fact couldn't survive without US taxpayer dollars AND it subjugates a large portion of it's population .. yet you have a problem with Venezuela.

amazing
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BOOM! There it is!
 
Ice Dancer said:
You are such a shill. I do not deny racism exists in white America. What I said to you is that racist comments are more often PUBLICALLY espoused by black Marxists such as Wright and Van Jones.

First off, where is proof beyond your personal opinion that Rev. Wright was or is a Marxist? Given his military record, that would have been a neat trick. Secondly, since Van Jones is no longer part of any (take your pick: socialist, communist, marxist) anti-American democracy group...and hasn't been for some time....you can't make that claim. Secondly, Rev. Wright's "garlic noses" can be construed as a racial slur against the Romans (as specified in his speech), but his pointing out the congenital racism in America practiced by the majority population is not racism...as the white members of his church and congregation will tell you. And I have yet to see a quote of bigoted statements by Van Jones against whites in general. So until you can provide something other than your opinion, you're just blowing smoke.


I also said that you are a disingenuous asshole who bandies about labeling people as racist. Not quite....BAC is VERY careful and specific as to whom he calls a racist on these boards. If you can prove otherwise, then please do. I think you do so because you are an angry dude and it is usually you who comes off sounding like the one who is racist...you are an arrogant biggoted asshole Bac, not to say that you are not educated, but your attitude is ignorant. Your world view narrow and lopsided; it's all twisted up and illogical.
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And since he so easily disproved your assertions regarding Chavez and Venezuela using facts and logic, and you have YET to acknowledge that, your opinion here isn't worth much.
 
Damocles said:
Pretending that nobody can learn from, nor should anybody notice, what happens elsewhere and supporting whatever "democratic socialist" you can is more like it. IT doesn't matter if he holds the reigns of the news agencies, it doesn't matter reports of violence against protesters and opposition supporters... nope, the news agency from Venezuela says it's all good so BAC thinks it is all good...

So far nobody suggested doing anything to or about Hugo, yet you straw man it up and pretend it means we should invade or pay the opposition or some other nasty thing we did in the past.
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I’d just like to know what exactly it is about Chavez that merits like ten thousand threads on jpp. I can probably count on one hand, the number of threads started about Robert Mugabe, the Burmese military junta, or the reactionary Columbian government.

What is it about a fat little man, in a small developing nation that poses no threat to us, that merits ten billion more threads that all the other reactionary, rightwing, and neofascist (and by the way, non-elected) governments around the world?

Obviously, its about oil, about perceived threats to American corporate hegemony. I don't see any other plausible explanation for the obsession with Chavez.

If there’s another plausible explanation to how and why Chavez merits ten billion more threads that other, truly repugnant leaders around the world I’m all ears.
 
Ice Dancer said:
You are such a shill. I do not deny racism exists in white America. What I said to you is that racist comments are more often PUBLICALLY espoused by black Marxists such as Wright and Van Jones. I also said that you are a disingenuous asshole who bandies about labeling people as racist. I think you do so because you are an angry dude and it is usually you who comes off sounding like the one who is racist...you are an arrogant biggoted asshole Bac, not to say that you are not educated, but your attitude is ignorant. Your world view narrow and lopsided; it's all twisted up and illogical.
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And you ma'am are a fucking dishonest liar.

Are radio stations, videos, music, churches, and all manner of nutcase media not consider PUBLIC in the fucking bizarro world you exist in? Of course that shit is PUBLIC and there are a shitload of racist vermin who practice and profess white supremist racism everyday. You don't condemn it because you only see racism in non-white people .. as evidenced by your self-induced ignorance of all-too obvious PUBLICLY spoken white racism.

Here's a clue .. I don't give a rat's ass about what something like you thinks about me. I'm black, thus I must be a racist, as Obama .. who I did not vote for .. must be a racist. Anyone who dare talk about the 364 years of overt, demonic, and ungodly racism that is the history of this country, must be a racist in your small mind. 400 years of existence in America and only relatively free for 44 years, and you believe that anyone and everyone who talks about the dynamics of that must be a racist.

You'd fare much better just talking to the other racist morons on this board than any attempt in talking to me. I don't have much stomach for shit like you and I don't really care how you take my disgust of lying ass comments.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And THAT is what is driving the little desposed oligarchs in Venezuela and their American neocon suppoters crazy. The family controlled media that was/is loyal to the former Venezuelan gov't has been the source of most American coverage (do we still have foreign correspondents from the major news networks?). No wonder they scream bloody murder about nationalization....they weren't about the nation, just certain and specific members of that nation.

I won't blindly support all that Chavez does, but I damn sure won't support the neocon BS against him either.
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I totally agree with every word.
 
Taichiliberal said:
No pretense about it, kid. The US and Venezuela have had a LONG history going back to the early 1900's. Given that Venezuela is a member of OPEC and has a thriving business on US soil (i.e., Citgo) to the point where they were able to offer reduced heating oil rates to American customers where AMERICAN companies did not, it's childish to try and dismiss the machinations of what went down during the 2002 attempted coupe

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/11/29/cia_documents_show_bush_knew_of

http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/1576
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Again. Long history notwithstanding, pointing out what is happening elsewhere is not suggesting a solution. Nobody here suggested anything they just report that tens of thousands are protesting his regime.

You are being directly and deliberately disingenuous to suggest that the history is the same as presently suggesting a solution.
 
Cypress said:
I’d just like to know what exactly it is about Chavez that merits like ten thousand threads on jpp. I can probably count on one hand, the number of threads started about Robert Mugabe, the Burmese military junta, or the reactionary Columbian government.

What is it about a fat little man, in a small developing nation that poses no threat to us, that merits ten billion more threads that all the other reactionary, rightwing, and neofascist (and by the way, non-elected) governments around the world?

Obviously, its about oil, about perceived threats to American corporate hegemony. I don't see any other plausible explanation for the obsession with Chavez.

If there’s another plausible explanation to how and why Chavez merits ten billion more threads that other, truly repugnant leaders around the world I’m all ears.
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You can't count the threads about the Burmese military junta because you were not posting here when the protests were happening there. You are simply incorrect. Pointing out the news of what is happening elsewhere does not suggest any solution, let alone a military one.

However on this site we have some of the hugest apologists for all things Hugo, it isn't hard to figure out why people might post these stories here.
 
Damocles said:
However on this site we have some of the hugest apologists for all things Hugo, it isn't hard to figure out why people might post these stories here.
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Hugo Chavez have many, many, American friend who know truth.

According to Hugo Chavez profile, Damocles in love with Hugo Chavez magnetic personality. Do you deny this truth?
 
Cypress said:
I’d just like to know what exactly it is about Chavez that merits like ten thousand threads on jpp. I can probably count on one hand, the number of threads started about Robert Mugabe, the Burmese military junta, or the reactionary Columbian government.

What is it about a fat little man, in a small developing nation that poses no threat to us, that merits ten billion more threads that all the other reactionary, rightwing, and neofascist (and by the way, non-elected) governments around the world?

Obviously, its about oil, about perceived threats to American corporate hegemony. I don't see any other plausible explanation for the obsession with Chavez.

If there’s another plausible explanation to how and why Chavez merits ten billion more threads that other, truly repugnant leaders around the world I’m all ears.
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Hey now!
 
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