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Obama supports extending Patriot Act provisions

WASHINGTON —
The Obama administration supports extending three key provisions of the Patriot Act that are due to expire at the end of the year, the Justice Department told Congress in a letter made public Tuesday.

Lawmakers and civil rights groups had been pressing the Democratic administration to say whether it wants to preserve the post-Sept. 11 law's authority to access business records, as well as monitor so-called "lone wolf" terrorists and conduct roving wiretaps.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2009871135_apuspatriotact.html

the more we see....the more obama is more of the same....notice the outrage in the media and from dems is virtually non existent as compared to bush :rolleyes:
 
Yurt said:
Obama supports extending Patriot Act provisions

WASHINGTON —
The Obama administration supports extending three key provisions of the Patriot Act that are due to expire at the end of the year, the Justice Department told Congress in a letter made public Tuesday.

Lawmakers and civil rights groups had been pressing the Democratic administration to say whether it wants to preserve the post-Sept. 11 law's authority to access business records, as well as monitor so-called "lone wolf" terrorists and conduct roving wiretaps.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2009871135_apuspatriotact.html

the more we see....the more obama is more of the same....notice the outrage in the media and from dems is virtually non existent as compared to bush :rolleyes:
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Those are about the three most reasonable provisions you could have possibly chosen to pick out as evidence of hypocrisy.
 
WinterBorn said:
Reasonable? You call roving wiretaps reasonable?
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It's hard to know what they mean by "roving wiretaps," but the way FISA courts work they monitor first then get the warrant after the fact (within a window of I think 72 hours) so there isn't a delay. If the wiretaps wind up getting warrants, I don't have a problem with it.

If the story said "warrantless wiretaps" it'd be much more clear.
 
ib1yysguy said:
It's hard to know what they mean by "roving wiretaps," but the way FISA courts work they monitor first then get the warrant after the fact (within a window of I think 72 hours) so there isn't a delay. If the wiretaps wind up getting warrants, I don't have a problem with it.

If the story said "warrantless wiretaps" it'd be much more clear.
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The roving wiretap is the ability to get a wiretap for any communication device the suspect uses. If he ditches his cell phone and starts coming over to borrow your phone they can tap that as well.
 
ib1yysguy said:
It's hard to know what they mean by "roving wiretaps," but the way FISA courts work they monitor first then get the warrant after the fact (within a window of I think 72 hours) so there isn't a delay. If the wiretaps wind up getting warrants, I don't have a problem with it.

If the story said "warrantless wiretaps" it'd be much more clear.
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That is part of something else. Here.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_Administration_quietly_expands_Bushs_legal_0407.html
 
ib1yysguy said:
It's hard to know what they mean by "roving wiretaps," but the way FISA courts work they monitor first then get the warrant after the fact (within a window of I think 72 hours) so there isn't a delay. If the wiretaps wind up getting warrants, I don't have a problem with it.

If the story said "warrantless wiretaps" it'd be much more clear.
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i love how you use any defense possible to defend obama, yet jump to conclusions about republicans or bush
 
Yurt said:
oooops, my bad.....i thought they were against the wiretaps....or did i just pwn myself and get mixed up with FISA
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The FISA stuff was a big issue, but there were problems with the original versions of some of the Patriot Act reauthorization provisions. The reauthorization bill was originally blocked by a Democratic filibuster. However, the modified version that included civil liberties protections that the Democrats wanted passed very very easily.

I'd note also that Obama voted in favor of a shitty FISA bill that lefties really really hated.
 
Yurt said:
the media and libs were all over bush for this.....

quite different now
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The "media" and the liberals didn't jump on Bush for these provisions. We had real, legitimate concerns with the patriot act beyond allowing the government to access business records, etc.
 
TurdFerguson said:
The FISA stuff was a big issue, but there were problems with the original versions of some of the Patriot Act reauthorization provisions. The reauthorization bill was originally blocked by a Democratic filibuster. However, the modified version that included civil liberties protections that the Democrats wanted passed very very easily.

I'd note also that Obama voted in favor of a shitty FISA bill that lefties really really hated.
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Again, the bill doesn't matter. The warrantless wiretapping continues with the added caveat that you cannot sue.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_Administration_quietly_expands_Bushs_legal_0407.html
 
TurdFerguson said:
We're talking about an entirely different subject. And, as I've pointed out to you before, the wireless wiretapping continues with explicit Congressional authorization that Obama voted for whereas previously it was done illegally.
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I think it is still illegal, even if Congress authorizes it. It is, simply, unconstitutional. And ever since I worked at the NSA I have had an abiding aversion to that institution being used for internal spying. It was tattooed onto our DNA while we worked there.

And adding the "you cannot sue" portion doesn't make it any better.
 
Damocles said:
I think it is still illegal, even if Congress authorizes it. It is, simply, unconstitutional. And ever since I worked at the NSA I have had an abiding aversion to that institution being used for internal spying. It was tattooed onto our DNA while we worked there.

And adding the "you cannot sue" portion doesn't make it any better.
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Hey, I agree with you. I opposed what Bush did and I opposed the bill that passed that "legalized" it. I just don't fault Obama for using the law that he voted in favor of.

On the "you cannot sue" portion, my understanding is that the DOJ has made a rather unique argument that the courts may or may not reject. And I don't think they are saying you cannot sue to prevent the government from illegally spying on you, but you cannot collect damages for the government having spied on you illegally. It's a sovereign immunity argument and I think it too is bullshit.

I generally think sovereign immunity is often misapplied. For example, in that case where a teenage student was strip searched because the school administrators thought she had ibuprofen on her the court found that her civil rights were indeed violated but that she could not recover any damages because of sovereign immunity. It's nonsense.
 
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