Bidens utter failure in Ukraine.....

ExpressLane said:
If Trump was President Russia would have never attacked Ukraine. Biden's debacle in Afghanistan embolden Putin.
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Of course you forgot that Trump was also committed to removing all troops from Afghanistan. That had nothing to do with Putins desire to annex additional land in Ukraine.
 
ExpressLane said:
If Trump was President Russia would have never attacked Ukraine. Biden's debacle in Afghanistan embolden Putin.
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You don’t have a clue what “would have” occurred if Trump were President.

The fact is Trump is NOT President. Anything based on the proposition of him being President is suppositional bullshit.
 
floridafan said:
Wouldn't you consider the billions of dollars of military equipment, something? Without this investment, Ukraine would be under total Russian control.
Then, Biden never, never told Putin he would ignore a mild incursion. Its amazing what a fucking liar you are.
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it takes an amazing liar to deny what everyone heard....why do you bother to lie?.....
 
floridafan said:
Of course you forgot that Trump was also committed to removing all troops from Afghanistan. That had nothing to do with Putins desire to annex additional land in Ukraine.
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But Trump was doing it on a orderly plan. He would not have F'ed it up like Biden did.

Russia took the Crimea when Biden was the pointman on Ukraine during the Obama Biden administration. Then during the Trump administration Russia behaved itself. Then under Biden Russia invaded Ukraine again and tried to overthrow its government.
 
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domer76 said:
You don’t have a clue what “would have” occurred if Trump were President.

The fact is Trump is NOT President. Anything based on the proposition of him being President is suppositional bullshit.
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We know what DID happen during the Trump administration. Putin stayed within his own border.
 
Stone said:
You never NEVER negotiate from a position of weakness,...not unless you want to get totally rolled like a fool. But that is exactly where we find ourselves now. Meanwhile Putin can negotiate from a position of strength because he has what he wants now. He is in Ukraine now and controls its fate totally. If he chooses to he can grind it into the dust if he wants to,...He can do whatever he wants.

He looked at the sanctions, laughed at them, and told us to go fuck ourselves and he would do as he wanted. THAT is the reality of it all. Now if we want him out of Ukraine we will have to give away the farm because he is already there with no reason to leave,...he is the one dealing from a position of strength. With China's full support I might add. So what is the answer? Go to war over it? Is that what you idiots want? The answer is we are FUCKED now. Its too late. We will have to bend over and give him everything he wants to get him out, all his wish list on a silver platter....if were lucky enuff to get him to take the deal at all. That......or go to WAR. A stronger better administration would have sorted this out well BEFORE the invasion happened. A smarter administration would have brokered a deal well ahead of time that would have been tolerable to all parties involved. But no,.....instead we get this total humiliation brought on by a bunch of fucking dummies running DC. Now live with. Nothing we can do now,... too late.
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Indeed!
 
floridafan said:
Who is to say that Trump would not have done a worse job of withdrawal. After all, his history of failure follows him.
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No one could have done a worse job....this failure follows Joe....a year later...still no after action reports released...what a huge disaster...
 
TOP said:
No one could have done a worse job....this failure follows Joe....a year later...still no after action reports released...what a huge disaster...
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Indeed.

No one fired, demoted...the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs....Biden...still in office.

They both should have resigned.
 
TOP said:
No one could have done a worse job....this failure follows Joe....a year later...still no after action reports released...what a huge disaster...
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Wiping out an innocent pro-American family of ten with a drone strike was a characteristic departing touch.

Actually stealing Afghan assets in America afterwards has cursed the old bastard for all time. Thousands of kids have died from disease and malnutrition as a result of his theft.
 
anatta said:
Biden hasnt done anything helpful but call Putin names and dismiss legit secutiry claims.
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In hindsight, this is an utterly preposterous statement.

Biden has provided 14 billion in military and economic aid, with billions more in the pipeline, and he has given Ukraine the weapons, training, and Intel needed to allow a second rate European nation to fight a world military superpower to a standstill.

If the fighting ended today, Russia would have gained a strip of land along the shore of the Sea of Azov, in exchange for decimating their military, burning all their bridges with Europe for generations to come, and causing NATO to become bigger, stronger, more unified than ever in it's history.

^^ That is a terrible fucking trade off.
 
Biden is responsible for the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan.

The blood of the 13 soldiers killed are on his hands.

Billions of dollars of weapons and equipment left in the hands of the Taliban fighters.

Americans and Afghans who helped us...left behind.

Afghanistan is now a terrorist state...all happening on Biden's watch.
 
ExpressLane said:
We know what DID happen during the Trump administration. Putin stayed within his own border.
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Only because Pedo Don was bribing him with American classified information.

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