Ashli Babbitt’s killer Admitted He Didn’t Know If She Was Threat

BidenPresident said:
She should never have been in the building. I thought conservatives believed in taking responsibility for your actions.
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Irrelevant to her being shot. The officer failed to follow use of force guidelines and fled the scene after shooting her. That's what matters here, not your red herring argument.
 
AProudLefty said:
How so?
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The amount of force used would be appropriate to the mob's actions. Depending on the size of the group, their movements, and actions, the response would be anything from something akin to riot police forming a line to contain or push them back. The mob would have to be pretty violent, or threatening the safety of personnel or property to warrant serious force or use of lethal force. You don't shoot first and ask questions later. That shit doesn't fly. You'd get court martialed for that.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The amount of force used would be appropriate to the mob's actions. Depending on the size of the group, their movements, and actions, the response would be anything from something akin to riot police forming a line to contain or push them back. The mob would have to be pretty violent, or threatening the safety of personnel or property to warrant serious force or use of lethal force. You don't shoot first and ask questions later. That shit doesn't fly. You'd get court martialed for that.
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If a mob broke the perimeter, threatening to harm the personnel on the base, and there were only a few people standing between them and the personnel, what should happen?
 
Here's four other Capitol Police or other Capitol security with weapons drawn pointing them at the crowd. They didn't fire. They did the right thing.

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AProudLefty said:
Correct. Nobody broke through.
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Had those outside started to try to beat down the door, that would be considered a violent act, and if they were making serious attempts to do so, say like using an improvised battering ram, then lethal force would have been justified.

That isn't the case with Babbitt. There, you have a single protester climbing through an opening. She clearly isn't armed, and her back is turned to the officer. He could have stepped out and tried verbal commands. He didn't.

Worse, he fled the scene after shooting her. If she were such a horrible threat, why did he flee rather than stay and control the situation assisting the other officers present?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Had those outside started to try to beat down the door, that would be considered a violent act, and if they were making serious attempts to do so, say like using an improvised battering ram, then lethal force would have been justified.

That isn't the case with Babbitt. There, you have a single protester climbing through an opening. She clearly isn't armed, and her back is turned to the officer. He could have stepped out and tried verbal commands. He didn't.

Worse, he fled the scene after shooting her. If she were such a horrible threat, why did he flee rather than stay and control the situation assisting the other officers present?
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Thank you for proving my point. :thumbsup:
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The mob didn't "seriously" injure 150 police officers. Maybe 150 were injured, but most were not "seriously" injured. And, I do care. The rioters should be held accountable for their actions.
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Officially, on record, as in, people on paid sick leave. At least 150 were officially seriously injured.
 
You’re pissing into the wind if you think you can have any sort of reasonable conversation with a Trumper on this issue. They will ALWAYS fall back on their typical rationalizations and justifications.

Every cop there had reasonable cause to believe their lives were in danger. Because they were. This guy was cleared. Glad there was only one instance of the use of deadly force. Others would have been justifiable as well.
 
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