why the government should stay away...

under the supposed new h/c plan, everyone, regardless, will have insurance....so i don't see how your article fits the proposed bill(s)
 
Superfreak said:
From health care....

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=507689
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Excerpt: "Since the debate over the government takeover of medical care exploded onto the national stage, advocates of market-based, patient-centered reforms have pointed to the failed government health care systems of Canada and the U.K. as examples of what America should not replicate."

Riiiight. Canadian health care has been "failing" for over forty (40) years. Canadians have been going to hospitals and seeing doctors and having operations and getting blood tests and going to rehabilitation hospitals and using the services of physiotherapists and never asked to open their wallet.

What a complete and utter failure!!

And to add insult to injury some provinces even have a prescription drug plan! In the past one had the right to say, "Hey, I can't afford my medication" but, alas, no more.

Now the government pays a portion of the drugs and if one requires a lot of drugs or expensive drugs there is a limit placed on what the individual can pay.

Let me repeat that. There is limit on what the individual can pay.

Usually insurance companies have a limit on what they, the insurance company, will pay. The opposite is the case with the government drug plan. The government limits what an individual can pay. When that limit is reached the government pays 100% of all future medications.

It's nothing short of an outrage! The government insisting to pay for ones medication.

Failure, indeed! :shock:
 
apple0154 said:
Excerpt: "Since the debate over the government takeover of medical care exploded onto the national stage, advocates of market-based, patient-centered reforms have pointed to the failed government health care systems of Canada and the U.K. as examples of what America should not replicate."

Riiiight. Canadian health care has been "failing" for over forty (40) years. Canadians have been going to hospitals and seeing doctors and having operations and getting blood tests and going to rehabilitation hospitals and using the services of physiotherapists and never asked to open their wallet.

What a complete and utter failure!!

And to add insult to injury some provinces even have a prescription drug plan! In the past one had the right to say, "Hey, I can't afford my medication" but, alas, no more.

Now the government pays a portion of the drugs and if one requires a lot of drugs or expensive drugs there is a limit placed on what the individual can pay.

Let me repeat that. There is limit on what the individual can pay.

Usually insurance companies have a limit on what they, the insurance company, will pay. The opposite is the case with the government drug plan. The government limits what an individual can pay. When that limit is reached the government pays 100% of all future medications.

It's nothing short of an outrage! The government insisting to pay for ones medication.

Failure, indeed! :shock:
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LMAO.....yes....canadians NEVER open their wallet EVER to pay for healthcare.....you crack me up

and if you think the government will be a blank check on medications.....then you obviously know shit about the canadian or other h/c system outside of the US.....

we can do better than canada and the uk....
 
"we can do better than canada and the uk.... "

Can but seem to chose not to.

Why can't we even buy drugs from Canada?
 
uscitizen said:
"we can do better than canada and the uk.... "

Can but seem to chose not to.

Why can't we even buy drugs from Canada?
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because the stupid idiots in DC are beholden to the $$$ from US pharma....it is easy to call this evil or whatever, however, it takes an honest look to realize that the US invents many, if not the most world drug cures because we have competition, because we are not like the other countries....

this has come to end though and i think we can do better....i have no problem with the government using anti trust laws to make more competition like they did with ma bell/att.....do we really need another government insurance company when their current insurance company, medicare, is failing?

why not fix that first? IMO, it is stupid for the government to spend resources and effort to fight the monopoly of the telephone system, yet not the health system.....they should both be fought, as i would think both are equally, if not more important for the h/c industry, to the consumer
 
Yurt said:
because the stupid idiots in DC are beholden to the $$$ from US pharma....it is easy to call this evil or whatever, however, it takes an honest look to realize that the US invents many, if not the most world drug cures because we have competition, because we are not like the other countries....

this has come to end though and i think we can do better....i have no problem with the government using anti trust laws to make more competition like they did with ma bell/att.....do we really need another government insurance company when their current insurance company, medicare, is failing?

why not fix that first? IMO, it is stupid for the government to spend resources and effort to fight the monopoly of the telephone system, yet not the health system.....they should both be fought, as i would think both are equally, if not more important for the h/c industry, to the consumer
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The govt quit fighting the telco monopolies many years ago.
IN fact they seemed to have quit fighting all monopolies.
 
Yurt said:
LMAO.....yes....canadians NEVER open their wallet EVER to pay for healthcare.....you crack me up

and if you think the government will be a blank check on medications.....then you obviously know shit about the canadian or other h/c system outside of the US.....

we can do better than canada and the uk....
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Are you as ignorant as you appear? I know far more about the Canadian system than you.

Try googling before posting.

As for the US doing better universal medicare and/or changes to the medical "pay or suffer" system has been discussed for decades. Sorry, but the argument "we can do better" has zero validity.

You can't do better. That's been shown. Universal medical was discussed long before Nixon, long before the 70's, over half a century ago. Here's a little something to consider.

Excerpt: "After FDR died, Truman became president (1945-1953), and his tenure is characterized by the Cold War and Communism. The health care issue finally moved into the center arena of national politics and received the unreserved support of an American president. Though he served during some of the most virulent anti-Communist attacks and the early years of the Cold War, Truman fully supported national health insurance. But the opposition had acquired new strength. Compulsory health insurance became entangled in the Cold War and its opponents were able to make “socialized medicine” a symbolic issue in the growing crusade against Communist influence in America." (END)http://www.pnhp.org/facts/a_brief_history_universal_health_care_efforts_in_the_us.php?page=3

So, please, drop the "we can do better" rhetoric. You can't.The only way to do better is to implement a plan and adjust it as time goes on the same way every other government plan/policy is adjusted.

Over half a century of proof you can't do better. Try another argument.
 
Since the debate over the government takeover of medical care exploded onto the national stage, advocates of market-based, patient-centered reforms have pointed to the failed government health care systems of Canada and the U.K. as examples of what America should not replicate.
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What failed healthcare? America's healthcare is the failed system. They get better healthcare than us, faster, and cheaper.
 
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