Three cheers for Grayson!

[PostmodernProphet]

It is clear that "Every US citizen" would include the uninsured. I then included pre-existing conditions in the same sentence. I reiterate, the bent toward the status quo is obviously yours alone since you also did not address cost. What is the cost consideration for thousands dying? How about a start by cutting Iraq funding by half and using that half for health care? That's just for starters. I can think of others based on ability to pay.

explain to me how saying everyone has the right to buy something helps someone who can't pay for it?.....and why cut the funds for the Iraq war?....why not cut the funds for troops in Germany?......for that matter, why not cut the federal funds for colleges?.....

face the facts, Belme.....your man has been in office for eight months and I haven't seen any funds cut anywhere, Iraq...Germany.....colleges.....trips to support the Olympics....you name it, no cuts....

 

[belme1201]

explain to me how saying everyone has the right to buy something helps someone who can't pay for it?.....and why cut the funds for the Iraq war?....why not cut the funds for troops in Germany?......for that matter, why not cut the federal funds for colleges?.....

face the facts, Belme.....your man has been in office for eight months and I haven't seen any funds cut anywhere, Iraq...Germany.....colleges.....trips to support the Olympics....you name it, no cuts....

I said "entitled to" not "pay for" and I meant exactly that, if they can't pay for it, it will nonetheless be paid to reach total coverage. You ignored them altogether.

My reference to Iraq stems from the fact that your guys seem to have no trouble finding funds to build another nation or fight another war, yet they defended mismanagement and massive waste in the Iraq war. Since money is fungible, 1/2 the cost of Iraq would fund a new health system quite well. Your last point regarding getting the Hell out is well taken, howeverl I think your guys would attack him no matter the direction he chooses.
College costs are yet another problem sending the country down the drain, but I would never cut funds for student's tuitions, I would recruit substantially more.

(I'm watching Petraeus doing a show & tell sell job on staying in Iraq and Afghanistan forever and touching on what to do with Iran etc. Get me some TP! A typical US General. Copious amounts of men, money and time will fix everything, but who knows when? Where is an Eisenhower when we need him?)

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet
explain to me how saying everyone has the right to buy something helps someone who can't pay for it?.....and why cut the funds for the Iraq war?....why not cut the funds for troops in Germany?......for that matter, why not cut the federal funds for colleges?.....

face the facts, Belme.....your man has been in office for eight months and I haven't seen any funds cut anywhere, Iraq...Germany.....colleges.....trips to support the Olympics....you name it, no cuts....

I said "entitled to" not "pay for" and I meant exactly that, if they can't pay for it, it will nonetheless be paid to reach total coverage. You ignored them altogether.

My reference to Iraq stems from the fact that your guys seem to have no trouble finding funds to build another nation or fight another war, yet they defended mismanagement and massive waste in the Iraq war. Since money is fungible, 1/2 the cost of Iraq would fund a new health system quite well. Your last point regarding getting the Hell out is well taken, howeverl I think your guys would attack him no matter the direction he chooses.
College costs are yet another problem sending the country down the drain, but I would never cut funds for student's tuitions, I would recruit substantially more.

(I'm watching Petraeus doing a show & tell sell job on staying in Iraq and Afghanistan forever and touching on what to do with Iran etc. Get me some TP! A typical US General. Copious amounts of men, money and time will fix everything, but who knows when? Where is an Eisenhower when we need him?)

Did the GAO ever get Halliburton to itemize that initial $800 million they were given via the taxpayers?

Also, I am very wary about Petraeus, he was suppose to have written THE book on how to occupy enemy territory after victory. Yet he threw his own book out the window when he took over in Iraq for the Shrub & company. Now you've got this joker McChrystal trying to corner Obama into doing what he wants by pre-empting his official report to the Commander in Chief via a Euro press conference. Man, these guys obviously forgot what happened to McArthur!

 

[PostmodernProphet]

I said "entitled to" not "pay for" and I meant exactly that, if they can't pay for it, it will nonetheless be paid to reach total coverage. You ignored them altogether.

then I can't yet sign on to your proposal.....how do you define "can't pay for".....if everyone is "entitled" to insurance it would cost us what?.....figure around 100 million family units at an average cost of say, $7k a year? $10k a year.....what kind of coverage are you proposing.....eliminating Iraq, every other military expenditure, college support and the welfare system wouldn't be enough to pay for it.....

 

[belme1201]

then I can't yet sign on to your proposal.....how do you define "can't pay for".....if everyone is "entitled" to insurance it would cost us what?.....figure around 100 million family units at an average cost of say, $7k a year? $10k a year.....what kind of coverage are you proposing.....eliminating Iraq, every other military expenditure, college support and the welfare system wouldn't be enough to pay for it.....

WE already pay far more for healthcare than any country in the world, but I hear few objections from the Right. The only noise we hear from them is when the huge profits within the industry are threatened. Why don't you take offense to a given, accepted fact? If we change the paradigm and control the for-profit industry, costs will go down with everyone covered. If we do not change the system and allow people to continue dying as a result, what would you call it, crass commercialism or murder if the uninsured/under-insured are ignored?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

WE already pay far more for healthcare than any country in the world, but I hear few objections from the Right. The only noise we hear from them is when the huge profits within the industry are threatened. Why don't you take offense to a given, accepted fact? If we change the paradigm and control the for-profit industry, costs will go down with everyone covered. If we do not change the system and allow people to continue dying as a result, what would you call it, crass commercialism or murder if the uninsured/under-insured are ignored?

as is typical with liberals, you didn't answer the question, "What's it going to cost?".......so far within the scope of what you have proposed it would cost approximately 1000% of last years federal budget.......

 

[belme1201]

as is typical with liberals, you didn't answer the question, "What's it going to cost?".......so far within the scope of what you have proposed it would cost approximately 1000% of last years federal budget.......

You avoid answering by accusing me of avoidance. What is YOUR alternative to the status quo in order to cover the uninsured? The money is already in healthcare, the question is how to re-direct it. You and yours place profit ahead of lives as Grayson said.

 

[Timshel]

Your link is the 10/1 addition. There are 2 articles in the 9/23 addition, I would additionally like to point out a 9/14 Journal survey of physicians showing 63% support a public/private healthcare system, taken from a very large sampling. Your guys have wisely chosen to ignore it, my guys, stupidly, have done the same.

Oops. But I still don't see it. Why don't you just post a link to the articles?

The survey is irrelevant to the value of the study we are discussing.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

You avoid answering by accusing me of avoidance. What is YOUR alternative to the status quo in order to cover the uninsured? The money is already in healthcare, the question is how to re-direct it. You and yours place profit ahead of lives as Grayson said.

but you see, that's the problem.....if Greyson had said the Republicans and Democrats in Congress BOTH are killing people it might have had a modicum of truth....by pretending it's only the Republicans he's abandoned honesty for partisanship....as you have....