Arab States Launch Secret Moves To Stop Using U.S. Currency For Oil Trading

blackascoal said:
So, according to you, the American people are hopelessly ignorant, impotent, and too afraid/inept to find solutions to better governance .. unless "international fascists" give it to them.

Still doesn't change or answer the question of whose responsibility our government belongs to.
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They made the mistake of trusting those whom are held up as wise and caring.

They were lied to and manipulated. They're not stupid.

People in leadership roles are ultimately accountable for their own actions.
 
AssHatZombie said:
They made the mistake of trusting those whom are held up as wise and caring.

They were lied to and manipulated. They're not stupid.

People in leadership roles are ultimately accountable for their own actions.
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Still haven't figured out how to answer the question .. so you beat the Bushes trying to find one.

Read the Declaration and the answer of whose responsibility it is MAY come to you .. but given your "schtick", it may not.
 
blackascoal said:
Still haven't figured out how to answer the question .. so you beat the Bushes trying to find one.

Read the Declaration and the answer of whose responsibility it is MAY come to you .. but given your "schtick", it may not.
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We are not governed by the Declaration of Independence. *shrug*

Our control is limited to the act of voting. And the voting process has been been hijacked by monied interests. This is the reality.
 
AssHatZombie said:
We are not governed by the Declaration of Independence. *shrug*

Our control is limited to the act of voting. And the voting process has been been hijacked by monied interests. This is the reality.
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The REALITY is that unless the American people right their own government it won't get done.

You can blame "internationalists" and secret organizations all you want, but the RESPONSIBILITY lies with the American people, not politicians, not internationalists.

Of course, if you don't get the Declaration you just simply don't get it.

By the way .. you don't live in democracy, you live in a plutocracy .. which I'm sure you won't get either.
 
blackascoal said:
The REALITY is that unless the American people right their own government it won't get done.

You can blame "internationalists" and secret organizations all you want, but the RESPONSIBILITY lies with the American people, not politicians, not internationalists.

Of course, if you don't get the Declaration you just simply don't get it.

By the way .. you don't live in democracy, you live in a plutocracy .. which I'm sure you won't get either.
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fancy talk...but if "we the people" can't even get a presidential candidate/president to release a copy of his original bc....we don't control shit
 
Yurt said:
fancy talk...but if "we the people" can't even get a presidential candidate/president to release a copy of his original bc....we don't control shit
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Anyone who is still talking about Obama's birth certificate should not be controlling shit.

It goes directly to my point about the unlearned nature of Americans.

I am surprised to find you talking about it.
 
blackascoal said:
Anyone who is still talking about Obama's birth certificate should not be controlling shit.

It goes directly to my point about the unlearned nature of Americans.

I am surprised to find you talking about it.
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you miss the point....

we the people could not get a presidential candidate to show a copy of his original b/c.....a simple piece of paper that the GOVERNMENT can require YOU to produce to get a passport or certain government jobs....

so tell me...who runs this country BAC?
 
Yurt said:
you miss the point....

we the people could not get a presidential candidate to show a copy of his original b/c.....a simple piece of paper that the GOVERNMENT can require YOU to produce to get a passport or certain government jobs....

so tell me...who runs this country BAC?
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A. The birth certificate fiasco was enormously ignorant and he has already produced his birth certificate.

B. It wasn't the American people demanding a birth certificate, just those who can't stand Obama being president.

C. Are you even remotely aware of the background checks and scrutiny one has to go through to even be in the Senate? What did they say .. "Well he ain't American, but he's going to be president one day so we'll give him a pass?"

D. Corporations run this country from top to bottom. We are a plutocracy .. Americans are just along for the ride. Consider us fuel for the corporate engine.
 
lol....nice tapdance.....face it, the hundreds of thousands if not millions who wanted to see it did not have the power to request a copy of the original....all your tapdancing away from that fact will not help you....but you have given sammy davis jr a run for his money
 
Yurt said:
lol....nice tapdance.....face it, the hundreds of thousands if not millions who wanted to see it did not have the power to request a copy of the original....all your tapdancing away from that fact will not help you....but you have given sammy davis jr a run for his money
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Sammy Davis Jr. .. that's real funny.

Too bad you didn't give intelligence a run for its money brother.

Your response demonstrates your inability to work without a prompter.

Let me repeat ...

A. The birth certificate fiasco was enormously ignorant and he has already produced his birth certificate.

Not only has he produced it .. the State of Hawaii has produced it.

B. It wasn't the American people demanding a birth certificate, just those who can't stand Obama being president.

Dude .. no response to this? Are you suggesting the birthers represent the American people?

93% of democrats and 83% of independents know he was born in this country.

Only 42% of republicans do .. a sad testiment to the intelligence of republicans. A majority of Republicans either believe he was born abroad (28 percent) or don't know (30 percent).

93 percent of Northeasterns, 90 percent of Midwesterners, and 87 percent of Westerners know that Obama is an American.

Only 47% 0f southerners believe he was born in this country .. which is completely expected of the south.

The birthers are yesterdays joke and they in no way represented the American people.

C. Are you even remotely aware of the background checks and scrutiny one has to go through to even be in the Senate? What did they say .. "Well he ain't American, but he's going to be president one day so we'll give him a pass?"

What? No comment? Straightforward question that does not require much intelligence to answer.

With a name like Barack Hussein Obama .. don't you think that everybody who has run against him have checked this out?

D. Corporations run this country from top to bottom. We are a plutocracy .. Americans are just along for the ride. Consider us fuel for the corporate engine.

And your response was "tap dancing" and comparisons to Sammy Davis Jr.

I don't think that I need any "help" debating you brother.

What happened? You used to be better at this.
 
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blackascoal said:
In the words of Paul Krugman, "The Gold Standard is an Economic myth whose only benefit is it sounds good."

.. sort of like "free market" .. a concept that only exists in the minds of believers.
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this is damn good propaganda for those that believe in total government control and regulation.
 
blackascoal said:
It's a better argument for people who know history and do not live in OZ.
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my brother, you realize that on one thread about government control where we are being manipulated without remorse, yet on this one we're also being manipulated through economic policy, and you're being played in to it by that very plutocracy you're trying to tell everyone about?
 
blackascoal said:
Sammy Davis Jr. .. that's real funny.

Too bad you didn't give intelligence a run for its money brother.

Your response demonstrates your inability to work without a prompter.

Let me repeat ...

A. The birth certificate fiasco was enormously ignorant and he has already produced his birth certificate.

Not only has he produced it .. the State of Hawaii has produced it.

B. It wasn't the American people demanding a birth certificate, just those who can't stand Obama being president.

Dude .. no response to this? Are you suggesting the birthers represent the American people?

93% of democrats and 83% of independents know he was born in this country.

Only 42% of republicans do .. a sad testiment to the intelligence of republicans. A majority of Republicans either believe he was born abroad (28 percent) or don't know (30 percent).

93 percent of Northeasterns, 90 percent of Midwesterners, and 87 percent of Westerners know that Obama is an American.

Only 47% 0f southerners believe he was born in this country .. which is completely expected of the south.

The birthers are yesterdays joke and they in no way represented the American people.

C. Are you even remotely aware of the background checks and scrutiny one has to go through to even be in the Senate? What did they say .. "Well he ain't American, but he's going to be president one day so we'll give him a pass?"

What? No comment? Straightforward question that does not require much intelligence to answer.

With a name like Barack Hussein Obama .. don't you think that everybody who has run against him have checked this out?

D. Corporations run this country from top to bottom. We are a plutocracy .. Americans are just along for the ride. Consider us fuel for the corporate engine.

And your response was "tap dancing" and comparisons to Sammy Davis Jr.

I don't think that I need any "help" debating you brother.

What happened? You used to be better at this.
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you should win the dancing with stars....sammy davis that is....this is simply about the power of "we the people" to request a copy of it....i have no desire to rehash the whole debate again....you already are saying incorrect things like obama and hawaii produced a copy of the original...that is false, HI produced nothing and obama only produced the colb....alas....this is not about what was or was not produced, it is simply about the power of people to request a document that the government can deman you produce....

what happened...you used to be better than this
 
SmarterThanYou said:
my brother, you realize that on one thread about government control where we are being manipulated without remorse, yet on this one we're also being manipulated through economic policy, and you're being played in to it by that very plutocracy you're trying to tell everyone about?
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Question: How many countries are on the gold standard today?

Question: How many countries employ laissez-faire "free-market" economics today?
 
Yurt said:
you should win the dancing with stars....sammy davis that is....this is simply about the power of "we the people" to request a copy of it....i have no desire to rehash the whole debate again....you already are saying incorrect things like obama and hawaii produced a copy of the original...that is false, HI produced nothing and obama only produced the colb....alas....this is not about what was or was not produced, it is simply about the power of people to request a document that the government can deman you produce....

what happened...you used to be better than this
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Didn't address a single thing I said .. only more Sammy Davis.

I used to count you among the more sane conservatives.

.. my bad
 
blackascoal said:
Didn't address a single thing I said .. only more Sammy Davis.

I used to count you among the more sane conservatives.

.. my bad
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why should i reargue the whole birth issue....? that wasn't my point....at all....

what did i not address? you kept ignoring my point that it was about the power and instead you went off on a tangent about the b/c issue....in other thread you finally admitted that yes, we the peopel don't have power...that was my whole point, yet you still want to argue the b/c issue
 
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