Obama's War: No Exit Strategy????

[blackascoal]

BAC, are you disputing the fact that Obama ran on the promise to redirect emphasis on Afghanistan? I can pull the text of the stump speeches if you like, but that was what he claimed during the campaign, that HE WOULD FIND AND KILL OSAMA BIN LADEN!

And BAC, I hate to be the one to break it to ya bud, but you are most certainly a liberal.

Let us attempt a civil conversation on this.

Obama did indeed campaign on the promise to redirect troops and resources to Afghanistan .. however the sitiuation in Afghanistan has not only deteriorated drastically, the mafia-style government of Karzai has been exposed, the mobility of the ghosts we are fighting is finally sinking in, the unwillingness of Nato nations to share the burden is glaring, the reality that there is no acheivable mission to be found is obvious, and not the least of which, we can't afford it and the American people no longer support it.

"I'm going to find and kill Bin Laden" has become one of the biggest jokes on the international stage. That's just the bullshit you tell dumb ass Americans who are clueless.

Underneath all the mindfuck about "protecting our freedoms", that crap isn't why we're in Afghanistan .. and planet earth knows that, which is why even Nato countries want little or nothing to do with it. Britian is there because they're our bitch .. at least the government is, but the brits have more balls than Americans and they know how to force their government to get the fuck out. But besides our bitch, NO OTHER NATO NATION IS DOING THE FIGHTING. Even the Canadiens are leaving.

Was not Iraq lesson enough?

Didn't Vietnam tell Americans anything about the fraud of war?

Are there any lessons to be learned in the study of history?

The war on terror is a fraud .. every part of it. It was designed.

I have no doubt that you don't agree with any of that .. but any student of HISTORY, not his-story, recognizes that war is a racket and nobody has been more cunning at it than the United States of America.

If you'd like to discuss that history that validates that conclusion, I'll be more than happy to oblige you. But if you'd rather discuss "patriotism" and labels, I'd rather not have that conversation.

 

[blackascoal]

He also repeatedly declared his support for that war, and that troops that were available from the draw down in Iraq would go to Afghanistan because that is where the "real war" was, where OBL was...

I don't deny any of that .. but just because he said it doesn't mean he should do it .. and it ain't like Obama doesn't know how to break a campaign promise.

He does that very well and he should do it here.

There is no acheivable mission in Afghanistan.

At what point my good brother do we recognize the limits of military power?

 

[blackascoal]

Yep.... Wow indeed! Not one single MSNBC report on how Obama has no exit strategy, not one mention of the fact that he has LIED to the American people about our objectives in Afghanistan. No liberal critics calling the Obama administration out on not giving the generals what they ask for, like they tried to do with Bush repeatedly. Nope... The One gets a complete pass from the liberals, as they morph into anti-war mode on Afghanistan and pretend that is what they said all along. As far as I am concerned, every damn one of you are lying two-faced bastards who don't deserve to ever have a voice in American politics again.

Here's the problem with talking to conservatives .. you seem to have no ability for honest debate.

"Not a single MSNBC report on how Obama has no exit strategy"

Emmy-Winning Afghanistan Series Becomes MSNBC Doc

Next Sunday, MSNBC will air a special one-hour documentary to coincide with the 8th anniversary of the war in Afghanistan. NBC News' Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel will report.

Titled "Tip of the Spear," the documentary expands on the the "Nightly News" series also called "Tip of the Spear," for which Engel and his team won two Emmy awards (Outstanding Continuing Coverage of a News Story in a Regularly Scheduled Newscast and Best Story in a Regularly Scheduled Newscast). The documentary follows a soldiers in the Viper Company as they travel through remote areas of Afghanistan.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser...ghanistan_series_becomes_msnbc_doc_138714.asp

Do you know what "Tip of the Spear" does? It talks about how Obama has no exit strategy in Afghanistan.

Here's something else you don't know .. MSNBC is the only network that is giving big airtime to the idea that Joe Biden should resign if Obama sends large numbers of troops to Afghanistan .. AND, there is anti-Obama-Afghanistan discussion on that network EVERYDAY .. especially on "The Ed Show."

Your thoughts on this are easily refuted within seconds.

You are parroting what you've been told, but you've never actually investigated the stuff you're saying for yourself. That is not the behavior of free people.

 

[Jarod]

Am I missing something? Has president Obama anounced we are pulling out or giving up on Afganistan?

 

[blackascoal]

Am I missing something? Has president Obama anounced we are pulling out or giving up on Afganistan?

Nope .. he's doing what the conservatives want .. and still they complain.

Why does Obama court these people?

 

[Jarod]

Here's the problem with talking to conservatives .. you seem to have no ability for honest debate.

"Not a single MSNBC report on how Obama has no exit strategy"

Emmy-Winning Afghanistan Series Becomes MSNBC Doc

Next Sunday, MSNBC will air a special one-hour documentary to coincide with the 8th anniversary of the war in Afghanistan. NBC News' Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel will report.

Titled "Tip of the Spear," the documentary expands on the the "Nightly News" series also called "Tip of the Spear," for which Engel and his team won two Emmy awards (Outstanding Continuing Coverage of a News Story in a Regularly Scheduled Newscast and Best Story in a Regularly Scheduled Newscast). The documentary follows a soldiers in the Viper Company as they travel through remote areas of Afghanistan.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser...ghanistan_series_becomes_msnbc_doc_138714.asp

Do you know what "Tip of the Spear" does? It talks about how Obama has no exit strategy in Afghanistan.

Here's something else you don't know .. MSNBC is the only network that is giving big airtime to the idea that Joe Biden should resign if Obama sends large numbers of troops to Afghanistan .. AND, there is anti-Obama-Afghanistan discussion on that network EVERYDAY .. especially on "The Ed Show."

Your thoughts on this are easily refuted within seconds.

You are parroting what you've been told, but you've never actually investigated the stuff you're saying for yourself. That is not the behavior of free people.

Why should Biden resign merely because he disagrees with the presidents policy on Afganistan?

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Nope .. he's doing what the conservatives want .. and still they complain.

Why does Obama court these people?

i believe dixie is not complaining...rather pointing out yet more of obama's hypocrisy and the dems hypocrisy for supporting obama for doing what they criticized bush for

 

[blackascoal]

Why should Biden resign merely because he disagrees with the presidents policy on Afganistan?

Because he would be doing just what the left said Colin Powell should have done when they falsely believed that Powell was a man of honor.

Because he would be putting the lives of our troops above his own ambition.

Because it would be the right thing to do.

 

[blackascoal]

i believe dixie is not complaining...rather pointing out yet more of obama's hypocrisy and the dems hypocrisy for supporting obama for doing what they criticized bush for

Nope, that's not what he's doing.

He's setting up a false strawman that is just full of lies.

The LOUDEST voices against further failure in Afghanistan is coming from many of the same people who were against the failure in Iraq .. THE LEFT.

The only hypocrisy exposed is Dixie's.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

The ONLY failure is that of the current Democrat leadership in Washington. The only people talking about how we can't win, and Afghanistan is an impossible mission, are the liberals who aren't for ANY war at ANY time. Did the General say that our mission in Afghanistan is impossible, regardless of how many troops we send? Nope. He said, IF we don't send more troops, we COULD lose.

I thought we were all clear (on Sept 12, 2001) on what our strategy and objectives were in Afghanistan? Remember all that bullshit about how ALL Americans came together behind Bush? Well, we now see that was all a bunch of malarkey, and you didn't mean a bit of it. You were as insincere as you could be, lying through your shit-stained teeth the whole way, and now that is revealed for the whole world to see. When the going gets tough, the tough get tougher, liberals tuck their tails between their legs and head for the hills in retreat!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Yeah yeah. The sky is falling, be afraid, be so terrified that you vote with me and my religion.... Blah blah blah....

In case you haven't noticed, the bogeyman tactic is bullshit and even more important, it kills more americans than your bogeyman did.

So keep preaching fear, keep perpetuating lies and false threats, keep speculating that the cavemen in the ME are going to take over out country, and keep serving your leaders head on a political platter. Your opposition thanks you.

Backwards irrational fearmongering loses every time.

But, uh, see for yourself as you're so determined to do.

Make sure to omit the fact that more of us die in retaliation than we do from attack, and make sure to omit that your lords wars are creating more problems than ever, make sure to omit the fact that laying waste to entire cities in other parts of the words doesn't perpetuate your cause for peace, or any reasons for it.

But be sure to you key phrases like "NUCLEAR WASTELAND!!1!" "NEW YORK AND WASHINGTON!" and "MUSLIMS!!"

Thats the best way to advance your backwards, self fulfilling agenda of world turmoil.

Then when you've bombed the shit out of entire regions of arabs and muslims, and one of them blows themselves up in a movie theatre, here's the most important part, don't forget to say "I told you so".

You're right Beefy, why should I give two rips about 3,000 people in New York, who died on Sept. 11th at the hands of alQaeda? It's not like I knew them personally, it's not like it was my family members or anything, so why should I care? And if another terrorist attack happens, it will probably claim more people I don't know, so why should I care about them? In any event, even if we had a dozen 9/11's, it wouldn't equate to the thousands of deaths caused by military action, so we should just learn to accept that third-world rag-head terrorists can murder innocent Americans on our own soil, and get away with it. We should send a message to the terrorists that we don't care how many of us they kill, we will ignore them and not be concerned with what they are doing.

And I apologize for using the scare tactics, just like during the campaign when I was using scare tactics in warning against Obama's Socialist agenda, just like when I was screaming about how our economy was headed for the crapper if we elect a bunch of spend-happy liberals who believe in high taxation and endorse anti-capitalism. I was clearly just trying to scare you into voting for John McCain, even though I never endorsed McCain... but still... I shouldn't have tried to invoke fear that way, it was uncalled for. You're right, I am sure things are going to be just fine when we abandon Afghanistan, and turn tail like a bunch of weak-kneed cowards, admitting we were wrong to ever go in there. I am certain that will foster trust and loyalty from our allies in the region, who have stuck their necks out for us, because they believed in what we were doing there. In fact, I bet that our withdrawal from Afghanistan will show the Taliban and alQaeda that we are fair-minded and objective, and able to admit our own faults, and that will usher in a new era of diplomacy with the Islamic radicals.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Are you incapable of discussing anything at all without false right-wing BULLSHIT.

Liberals are deftly SILENT?

Progressives Complicate Obama’s Afghanistan Plans
Liberals Who Helped Elect the President Are Resisting Escalation
http://washingtonindependent.com/63...gressive-opposition-to-afghanistan-escalation

MoveOn to Obama: Exit Strategy, Not More Troops to Afghanistan
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/352

I could on posting liberal opposition to Afghanistan for days

BUT, even more telling ... who supports the Afghanistan war?

A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Tuesday morning indicates that 39 percent of Americans favor the war in Afghanistan, with 58 percent opposed to the mission.

Support is down from 53 percent in April, marking the lowest level since the start of the U.S. military mission in Afghanistan soon after the September 11, 2001, attacks.

The poll suggests that 23 percent of Democrats support the war. That number rises to 39 percent for independents and 62 percent for Republicans.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/15/afghan.war.poll/index.html?eref=rss_topstories#cnnSTCText

AND, although I'm not a liberal I am most certainly on the left .. and NOBODY has been more vocal in oppostion against this war than I have on this board .. and that includes YOU.

They are a pathetic lot, are they not? Obama follows some of the edicts they squawked about for 8 years, and they still hate him! Liberals critcize Obama, and they still LIE about what liberals are saying. Neocon parrots....I can't wait for them to start saying they are not going to fight for Obama's war!

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

The ONLY failure is that of the current Democrat leadership in Washington. The only people talking about how we can't win, and Afghanistan is an impossible mission, are the liberals who aren't for ANY war at ANY time. Did the General say that our mission in Afghanistan is impossible, regardless of how many troops we send? Nope. He said, IF we don't send more troops, we COULD lose.

I thought we were all clear (on Sept 12, 2001) on what our strategy and objectives were in Afghanistan? Remember all that bullshit about how ALL Americans came together behind Bush? Well, we now see that was all a bunch of malarkey, and you didn't mean a bit of it. You were as insincere as you could be, lying through your shit-stained teeth the whole way, and now that is revealed for the whole world to see. When the going gets tough, the tough get tougher, liberals tuck their tails between their legs and head for the hills in retreat!

um.....isn't obama for the war in afghanistan....and didn't his platform when running for office say he would expand that war.....

 

[Beefy]

You're right Beefy, why should I give two rips about 3,000 people in New York, who died on Sept. 11th at the hands of alQaeda? It's not like I knew them personally, it's not like it was my family members or anything, so why should I care? And if another terrorist attack happens, it will probably claim more people I don't know, so why should I care about them? In any event, even if we had a dozen 9/11's, it wouldn't equate to the thousands of deaths caused by military action, so we should just learn to accept that third-world rag-head terrorists can murder innocent Americans on our own soil, and get away with it. We should send a message to the terrorists that we don't care how many of us they kill, we will ignore them and not be concerned with what they are doing.

Yes Dixie, that's it indeed. 3,000 Americans were murdered that day, I can agree with that much. But what you seem to be insisting is that our war is with rag-heads and therein lies the problem. 19 guys from Saudi Arabia blow up our trade center and attack our pentagon, and that equates in your mind to granting the US carte blanche to blow up rag heads.

I'll be right back, a couple of mormons just showed up to visit, and as per usual we welcomed them in.

They declined a beer.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Yes Dixie, that's it indeed. 3,000 Americans were murdered that day, I can agree with that much. But what you seem to be insisting is that our war is with rag-heads and therein lies the problem. 19 guys from Saudi Arabia blow up our trade center and attack our pentagon, and that equates in your mind to granting the US carte blanche to blow up rag heads.

I'll be right back, a couple of mormons just showed up to visit, and as per usual we welcomed them in.

They declined a beer.

I insist that our war is against radical Islamic jihadists who want to drag the world back to the 5th century. 19 radical terrorists killing 3,000 innocent Americans who were guilty of nothing more than showing up for work that day, should, in no uncertain terms, equate to overwhelming US military action against the extremist groups and sponsors of such terror. Apparently, in the minds of liberals, it equates to sustainable losses we can live with in the future, and complete indifference to the problem. After all, NOTHING is worth war to a liberal, unless maybe we took away your 'right' to murder unborn babies, then you might be inclined to pick up arms.

Yes Beefy, our war is with RAG HEADS... RADICAL ISLAMIC RAG HEADS! The kind of RAG HEADS who think it is acceptable in a civilized world, to blow up and kill innocent civilians in the name of their god. Let's make this PERFECTLY clear, not a SOUL has called for war against ALL Muslim people, or ALL people who wear rags on their heads! Just the RAG HEADS who religiously believe in a 5th century ideology, and are hell-bent on forcing the rest of the world to live by their edicts. You obviously don't think they can do this, but what is going to stop them, Beefy? They already have a strong foothold in the middle east, in Africa, across Europe... Indonesia... even in South America! All over the world, they are forcing their will on the people by using terrorism, and they will do so here as well.

Your major problem is, you are a self-absorbed and totally selfish fool, who doesn't really give two shits what happens to other people. It's not your problem, they aren't bothering you, and it's not interfering with your lifestyle, so you just don't give a fuck. You can sit back in your comfortable little abode and pontificate on the evils of Americanism, and never have to worry about the consequences of your words. It's like I said a long time ago, it will take alQaeda sawing off your mother's head in your living room, before you wake the fuck up. Of course, then it will be FAR too late to do anything about it, and you will have converted most of America into sniveling little spoiled chicken shit liberal anti-war cowards like yourself.

 

[Beefy]

I insist that our war is against radical Islamic jihadists who want to drag the world back to the 5th century. 19 radical terrorists killing 3,000 innocent Americans who were guilty of nothing more than showing up for work that day, should, in no uncertain terms, equate to overwhelming US military action against the extremist groups and sponsors of such terror. Apparently, in the minds of liberals, it equates to sustainable losses we can live with in the future, and complete indifference to the problem. After all, NOTHING is worth war to a liberal, unless maybe we took away your 'right' to murder unborn babies, then you might be inclined to pick up arms.

Yet, you don't in practice condemn war with 20th century countries. You will take this attack on the US by a minute group of the worlds population, and use it to advocate killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis. Getting Hussein and six figures worth of innocent people is worth it.

Not only that, but you claim that your war is against radical islam, all the while you advocate Westernizing entire regions of the world, because afterall, if it works for us, it will work for them, even if we have to blow their shit up to make them understand. This is known as imperialism, and as a fan of history yourself, you know where imperialism leads Dix.

If you think that this game is black and white, you're blind as hell.

It doesn't surprise me that you're not a fan of Pat Buchanan.

Yes Beefy, our war is with RAG HEADS... RADICAL ISLAMIC RAG HEADS! The kind of RAG HEADS who think it is acceptable in a civilized world, to blow up and kill innocent civilians in the name of their god. Let's make this PERFECTLY clear, not a SOUL has called for war against ALL Muslim people, or ALL people who wear rags on their heads! Just the RAG HEADS who religiously believe in a 5th century ideology, and are hell-bent on forcing the rest of the world to live by their edicts. You obviously don't think they can do this, but what is going to stop them, Beefy? They already have a strong foothold in the middle east, in Africa, across Europe... Indonesia... even in South America! All over the world, they are forcing their will on the people by using terrorism, and they will do so here as well.

Your major problem is, you are a self-absorbed and totally selfish fool, who doesn't really give two shits what happens to other people. It's not your problem, they aren't bothering you, and it's not interfering with your lifestyle, so you just don't give a fuck. You can sit back in your comfortable little abode and pontificate on the evils of Americanism, and never have to worry about the consequences of your words. It's like I said a long time ago, it will take alQaeda sawing off your mother's head in your living room, before you wake the fuck up. Of course, then it will be FAR too late to do anything about it, and you will have converted most of America into sniveling little spoiled chicken shit liberal anti-war cowards like yourself.

That's where you're entirely wrong. Its not that I'm not concerned because it doesn't affect me, it does, but statist big government conservatives don't get it. It does affect me, because you and your ilk will use 9-11 to advance any agenda you can through bigger and more invasive government tactics. You will use it to try to imperialize the middle east, you will use it to strip search people, to break in their doors, to wire tap, and to give government absolute control.

Its a shame that you, of all people, don't even realize that you're in cahoots with the left in letting the government get big enough to take power from the people and get big enough where the individual becomes meaningless.

The only difference is the vehicle you choose.

The left uses capitalism and profiteering as the boogeyman, you use cavemen.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

OMFG... Statist big government conservatives? ...bigger and more invasive government? You got a lot of fucking nerve and gall, is all I have to say! Just where in the fuck do you get this stupid shit? Because I am not a NEOCOMMUNIST, it makes me a NEOCON? Is THAT what you think? Let me tell you something, you little empty-headed nit wit, you don't have a clue what imperialism is, if that's what you think we have done in the middle east. Helping the people of that region to realize the principled advantages of DEMOCRACY that THEY establish themselves in their OWN way, instead of the violent and oppressive system they have lived with for thousands of years, is NOT imperialistic, it IS moral and noble, and worth whatever the cost. Primarily because DEMOCRACY is the key to peace and stability, and everyone with more than a fucking ounce of brains understands that. True democracies don't war with each other, they negotiate, they find other ways to settle their differences, or they agree to disagree and work toward mutual cooperation and avoid confrontation. WHY? Because when THE PEOPLE have the power through democracy, they don't stand for unjustified wars. They don't stand for their elected leaders endorsing, promoting, and giving aid to terror organizations. IF that happens, they throw the leaders out of office and elect new ones, something they CAN'T do under the barbaric and archaic system of kings, tyrants and rulers they presently have.

What's happened is, you have listened to the bullshit spewings of some washed up hack of a politician who is trying to hock his books, and who doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about. No, it's not black and white, it is complicated and difficult, and will require much patience and diligence to effect change in the region. But DEMOCRACY is ultimately the last best hope for peace in that part of the world, nothing else will ever work. You can't defeat an ideology with guns and bombs, but you CAN defeat it with a better ideology. Your problem is, you don't really believe democracy is all that fucking great of an ideology!

In your convoluted little mind, you somehow think it best we leave them be, let them continue to do as they have, and stay out of it all. Problem is, that is exactly what we had been doing since 1948, and it culminated in 3,000 dead Americans. We can no longer afford to turn our backs on the problem and do nothing. I wish to god we could, I wish we could bring home every American soldier and never have to deploy them again for any reason, but that is not the reality of the world we live in and the circumstances of what we face.

Islamic Caliphate... I want you to go Google that, and read up on it. Try to comprehend in your pea-brain, what they fully intend to do, if they are not stopped! You need to understand, they plan to rule their half of the planet. Invoking Sharia law on everyone, and mandating fundamental radical religious constraints on ALL the people. When this happens, we will be their bitch, because we depend on their oil. If they achieve this objective, the game is over for us, we will fall and fall hard. Is that what you are hoping for? It sure as hell seems like it to me.

 

[Beefy]

OMFG... Statist big government conservatives? ...bigger and more invasive government? You got a lot of fucking nerve and gall, is all I have to say! Just where in the fuck do you get this stupid shit? Because I am not a NEOCOMMUNIST, it makes me a NEOCON? Is THAT what you think? Let me tell you something, you little empty-headed nit wit, you don't have a clue what imperialism is, if that's what you think we have done in the middle east. Helping the people of that region to realize the principled advantages of DEMOCRACY that THEY establish themselves in their OWN way, instead of the violent and oppressive system they have lived with for thousands of years, is NOT imperialistic, it IS moral and noble, and worth whatever the cost. Primarily because DEMOCRACY is the key to peace and stability, and everyone with more than a fucking ounce of brains understands that. True democracies don't war with each other, they negotiate, they find other ways to settle their differences, or they agree to disagree and work toward mutual cooperation and avoid confrontation. WHY? Because when THE PEOPLE have the power through democracy, they don't stand for unjustified wars. They don't stand for their elected leaders endorsing, promoting, and giving aid to terror organizations. IF that happens, they throw the leaders out of office and elect new ones, something they CAN'T do under the barbaric and archaic system of kings, tyrants and rulers they presently have.

Calm down grampa. True democracies are organic first of all. You cant go into a country full of "rag heads" who have a wholesale different world view than the west, blow up a ton of their shit, kill hundreds of thousands of them displace millions more, and shove the barrel of your gun in their faces and say now VOTE! YAY! Democracy, FREEDOM ISN'T FREE!!!1!

If you knew anything about history, you would know that ideology runs deeper than anything, and it can't be undone through some misguided, violent, shoot first and ask questions later foreign policy. I would have figured you would have learned something from Vietnam, and even if not, at least you should have learned something by now from Iraq.

In the Middle East, they have a different culture, religious convictions, different ideas of freedom, many feel that they are truly freed through their religion and that the West is oppressed by its own culture. You should know this shit. We're trying to change a deep seated culture over there (or so we claim, the reality is that Bush's neat little demonstration of power turned into the biggest pigfuck in 35 years thanks to you), and we're not going to succeed. How do you win a civil war when you're the referee?

What's happened is, you have listened to the bullshit spewings of some washed up hack of a politician who is trying to hock his books, and who doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about. No, it's not black and white, it is complicated and difficult, and will require much patience and diligence to effect change in the region. But DEMOCRACY is ultimately the last best hope for peace in that part of the world, nothing else will ever work. You can't defeat an ideology with guns and bombs, but you CAN defeat it with a better ideology. Your problem is, you don't really believe democracy is all that fucking great of an ideology!

Wow Dix! Those Psychology courses at Birmingham Occupational Center really paid off! Thanks for psychoanalyzing me and saving me $50. Do you write prescriptions too?

In your convoluted little mind, you somehow think it best we leave them be, let them continue to do as they have, and stay out of it all. Problem is, that is exactly what we had been doing since 1948, and it culminated in 3,000 dead Americans. We can no longer afford to turn our backs on the problem and do nothing. I wish to god we could, I wish we could bring home every American soldier and never have to deploy them again for any reason, but that is not the reality of the world we live in and the circumstances of what we face.

Yeah, we've been leaving them alone since 1948. In fact, carving up the middle east after WWI has nothing to do with anything. In fact those rag heads are pretty geometrically savvy, what with making their border consist of a bunch of straight lines! Yep, no hint of imperialism there, none at all. And since 1948, we've been arming Israel to the teeth, and they've been occupying foreign lands for decades with out money, our tanks and our missiles. That's not a fact that gets lost on me fool.

Yeah, we've left them alone since 1948. We had nothing to do with the Shaw, or Mossadeq, or the iran/iraq thing..... We were just standing on the corner all these years....

You're such an ostrich its pathetic.

Islamic Caliphate... I want you to go Google that, and read up on it. Try to comprehend in your pea-brain, what they fully intend to do, if they are not stopped! You need to understand, they plan to rule their half of the planet. Invoking Sharia law on everyone, and mandating fundamental radical religious constraints on ALL the people. When this happens, we will be their bitch, because we depend on their oil. If they achieve this objective, the game is over for us, we will fall and fall hard. Is that what you are hoping for? It sure as hell seems like it to me.

You don't get it. Its your ideas that are throwing fuel on the fire. Let me ask you this, do you think radical islamist interest in harming the united States has grown or declined since your beloved war policies have been implemented? Do you think there are more or les radicals out there today, than 10 years ago.

Be honest now, try it sometimes.

 

[belme1201]

During the campaign, Obama made it clear that he was dedicated to winning the war in Afghanistan. Candidate Obama railed on Bush and Republicans over Iraq, blaming our shortcomings in Afghanistan on the lack of resources due to the "Bush War" in Iraq, and promising to devote the needed resources to "finding and killing Osama Bin Laden." We heard speech after speech from Obama and Biden, about how THEY could revitalize our efforts in Afghanistan, THEY would be committed to doing what needed to be done to get Osama and WIN in Afghanistan. Biden himself was selected as VP because it was believed he had the needed foreign policy and armed forces leadership experience, and we were all reassured that under and Obama presidency, America would remain safe and strong in the war on terror.

Now, after almost a year in office, the generals on the ground in Afghanistan, are literally begging for more troops, saying point blank, that we will lose this war if we don't step it up... and Obama announces that he will have to think about this a while... maybe a few months! A few days later, he announces that we "can't defeat the Taliban" regardless of the number of troops we send to Afghanistan, so I think we can see where this is headed.

At this point, Afghanistan is Obama's war, and there is NO exit strategy. It is Vietnam all over again, with an inept administration who doesn't have a clue of how to WIN a war. Thousands of American soldiers have given their lives for this mission, and for what? So that Barack Hussein Obama can waffle on yet ANOTHER promise he made during his campaign, and eventually throw in the towel on Afghanistan. Make no mistake, that is exactly what the administration is setting up. A complete tucking of our tails between our legs and bugging out of Afghanistan, because LIBERALS don't know how to win wars.

And where are all the liberals on this? Deftly silent! After berating Bush for 8 years about Iraq, and criticizing the "lack of an exit strategy", we find that Obama has NO EXIT STRATEGY for Afghanistan, and it will be a few more MONTHS before he gets around to deciding on one! Meanwhile, he continues to practice his jump shot and fly his family all over the world, continuing to "apologize" for America and make speech after speech, which sound like they were written by Natalie Maines, denigrating the actions of America at every opportunity. THIS is what you people elected.

......and bush's exit strategy was? I believe that's one of the wars Obama found waiting for him when he took office. He's got 7 years just to tie bush for length of stay. He's already beaten bush for length of time in office without an attack!

 

[Annie]

......and bush's exit strategy was? I believe that's one of the wars Obama found waiting for him when he took office. He's got 7 years just to tie bush for length of stay. He's already beaten bush for length of time in office without an attack!

And what was stated in the original post, which you chose to respond to, was candidate O'Bama's position on Afganistan. It was in contrast to President Bush's at the time: