Why homosexuality should be banned

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Yurt said:
thats the same argument that racists used to fight against interracial marraige, congrulations :good4u:
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/yawn.....I could as easily say it's the same argument used to say that an illegal alien is the same thing as a person who immigrated to the US under a green card......wouldn't be true, but we both can say it.....
 
WinterBorn said:
There are other benefits, see if you can do the same for them?

Benefits such as pension plans, SSI, and Medicare?
Joint filing of Customs Claims when travelling?
Wrongful death benefits for the surviving partner or child?
Bereavement Leave?
Sick leave to care for the partner?
Domestic violence protection orders?
Judicial protections and evidentiary immunity?

Just to name a few.
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not a one that couldn't be taken care of by a liberally controlled government without demanding the change to the meaning of "marriage"....why don't you just admit that what you demand is respectability rather than benefits....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I see no obligation to treat them equally with a married couple.....they aren't married......
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YOu are trying to create a nice Catch-22 here.

First you say we shouldn't redefine marriage just because they want to get married.

Then you say they should get the benefits of being married because they aren't married.
 
WinterBorn said:
That is not feasible. The Fair Tax Act would fix it. But there are other benefits that would still not be available to domestic partners.


You would not agree to remove the gov't from the entire marriage scene and remove all the gov't benefits of being married?
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because it still amounts to changing all of society just because someone made a lifestyle choice......I object to people sticking their noses in my face and demanding things.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
not a one that couldn't be taken care of by a liberally controlled government without demanding the change to the meaning of "marriage"....why don't you just admit that what you demand is respectability rather than benefits....
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I am admitting no such thing. I respect them now, if they are living a respectable life. And I don't respect them if they are not living a respectable life. It is the same as I do with straight couples and singles.

And none of those is going to happen unless the gov't steps in and changes the gov't definition of marriage.
 
WinterBorn said:
YOu are trying to create a nice Catch-22 here.

First you say we shouldn't redefine marriage just because they want to get married.

Then you say they should get the benefits of being married because they aren't married.
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I don't consider it a Catch 22, I consider it a catch nothing.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no....because society doesn't have to change to accommodate it.....now tell me.....the relationship exists....why do they need to change it into 'marriage'?.......
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For all the benefits listed and several hundred more.



Why would you not be agreeable to give up the gov't interference in marriage? Isn't keeping the definitionof marriage more important?

Or is it that those benefits are important to you, but you don't want gay couples to be able to claim them as well?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
why not?......you know you could give them the benefits without changing marriage....why change marriage?.....
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I am not admitting that the changes could or would be made to give them the benefits.

And I am not afraid of a change in the definition of marriage. My marriage, my church, and my country would go uneffected.
 
WinterBorn said:
Right, you say you want to keep your benefits and your definition of marriage and screw anyone who doesn't like it.

Awful magnanimous of you.
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???....do I have an obligation to be magnanimous?......what about you?....have you ever proposed a change in the tax code giving the equivalent to the marital deduction to a gay couple?.....or are you only interested in changing marriage?.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no....because society doesn't have to change to accommodate it.....now tell me.....the relationship exists....why do they need to change it into 'marriage'?.......
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Society has changed to accomodate them.

Anti-sodomy laws have been struck down. Anti-homosexual laws have been struck down. Domestic Partner laws have been created.

All of this happened without the world blowing up.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
stop dodging the question.....why change marriage?....
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Because it is the shortest route to equality for all.

Because marriage is about two people who love each other making a committment and building a life together.

Because I don't believe that straights have a monopoly on loving each other and committing to each other.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
???....do I have an obligation to be magnanimous?......what about you?....have you ever proposed a change in the tax code giving the equivalent to the marital deduction to a gay couple?.....or are you only interested in changing marriage?.....
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I have spoken numerous times in favor of the Fair Tax Act, which would do away with all the tax deductions and special benefits.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
because it still amounts to changing all of society just because someone made a lifestyle choice......I object to people sticking their noses in my face and demanding things.....
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They are demanding to be treated equally. Anyone who would fight against such a demand does not deserve the benefits they enjoy in this country.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
actually, it's been a couple of decades already.....how short is that?....
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You forgot to quote the rest of my statement:

"Because marriage is about two people who love each other making a committment and building a life together.

Because I don't believe that straights have a monopoly on loving each other and committing to each other."




It all ties together and is not meant as separate reasons.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
a change in the tax code giving the equivalent to the marital deduction
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This would be appropriate...absolutely appropriate. But let me tell you my opinion.....and it is only my opinion. I think the far left and the homosexual community are fighting for "marriage" not just for "benefits." I believe the underlying issue here is that they want the word "marriage" to apply to both heterosexual and homosexual couples so as to make it seem more "right" to more people. So that in 20 or 30 years the (now kids) then adults will see nothing wrong or different with the relationship as they will have grown up with it. That is why I'm agin' it. Right now society as a whole still sees this (the gay relationship) as the abnormal thing that it is even if they don't see it as the sinful behavior that it is. That shouldn't change, IMO.
 
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