Foundation of Conservatism

[Jarod]

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[Cypress]

I am socially conservative, but non-religious.....

HaHa, man don't ever change Dixie. Your posts are more fun than a barrel of monkeys!

DIXIE, 2006: "If it were up to me personally, there would be no legal abortion... If any abortion occurred for any reason, it would be a crime of murder, punishable by death, preferably stoning, as God mandated in the Old Testament..... I merely made the point that I don't expect society to live by my personal beliefs, or our laws to be structured around what I personally believe”

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I hear ya AHZ. Have you followed the Scozzafava race? She is a fiscal conservative republican with a pretty socially liberal outlook. I have to say that I really do not believe the two poles are compatable in one candidate...and yet we here from liberatrian's all the time who hold these conjoined views.

Gingrich, who was very successful in building a republican coalition, believes that it is not pragmatics as mush as reality that in certain districts throughout the US candidates like Scozzafava are the reality. That socially conservative candidates just don't have a chance and so any vote for them is a vote for the democrat...what say you?

I don't know about that but it's certainly bad politics. Divide and conquer is a strategy your supposed to use against your opponents, not yourselves.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
No stupid, it's not. Grow up and deal with the facts....the "conservatism" of Nixon, Reagan and the Bush family is NOT conducive to the principles and guidelines of what the Constitution stands for. Hell, even Ashcroft realized that when Gonzales was trying to get that signature in his hospital room.

But liberals hate the constitution most. They can't even come to grips with the bill of rights.

As usual, when you can't refute or disprove anything I say you just heap on more baseless assertions and accusations. Once again, you prove worthy of your screen name.

 

[Don Quixote]

They don't articulate because there's no difference anymore.

All the ceo's just want to be fascist czars. they WANT bailouts, since there's to be no personal loss for them. They will still get their bazillion dollars, plus government collusion to support their enterprises.

it is past time to reform or eliminate the federal reserve

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Eliminating the federal reserve would mean that the economy would have to adjust to the money supply instead of the money supply adjusting to the economy.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I don't equate the two, but as far as those who are actual players and peddlers in the largely social conservative political agenda in the United States, the evangelical organizations, among other religiously inclined institutions are it.

If you're just talking about appealing to people who happen to be socially conservative in their own right and are against same-sex marriage and pro-life, then we're talking apples and oranges, yes, but I think my argument stands even more. I also made an edit here to point out that many people who are socially conservative in the manner you are describing would not call themselves or identify as social conservatives as their primary interest. Socially conservative leftists who voted for Obama are the reason Prop 8 succeeded in banning same-sex marriage in California.

You do not need to be religious to take either of these views or to think that the states should decide those kinds of issues, for or against.

But when you say who is sitting in that big chair up front, just remember (as if I would have to remind you) that it would be the people who want us to live like puritans, and not Joe the Plumber, who wants to save babies and doesn't want his Pastor to be forced to marry gays.

And that is a kind of manipulation and distortion of real intention, just as social conservatives themselves are manipulated by not particularly conservative Republicans.

As for alternatives to banning non-traditional behavior...how about engaging people to promote traditional behavior? After all, don't some of these folks believe they can "pray the gay away"?

The point I have made throughout this thread, is that social conservatism has taken a bad rap. Leftists successfully tied social conservatism to religious fundamentalism, and there is now this perception of "social conservative" that simply doesn't apply across the board.

I know a great many social conservative religious people you would consider fundamentalist. To this day, I have never heard a single one of them, advocate making everyone live like puritans. In most cases, they simply want to have their values respected in the communities they live in, and they seek to do this through legitimate ballot initiatives and representative legislation. I have never heard a religious fundamentalist try to get a court to rule something into law, forcing us to all live by their standards. If you know of a case, please present it.

Most social conservatives I know, are perfectly content to allow THE PEOPLE to decide issues of morality. They do not seek to impose their will on society through judicial fiat, however, that is exactly what leftist atheists do everyday.

As for your point about alternatives, I don't really understand what you are trying to say. People of strong religious faith, believe they have a moral obligation to their God to speak out against things their religion teaches against. The constitution guarantees them this right, and strictly forbids anyone from taking it from them. You argue they can have the right to believe whatever they want, they just can't advocate for what they believe in the public arena.

 

[Taichiliberal]

interesting....which paragraph of the Patriot Act do you believe has created new law regarding Habeus Corpus?.......

Good question, because in Hamdi Vs. Rumsfeld, it came down to a combination of Sect. 802, 412, and the gov't a'la Ashcroft and the Shrub just kept determining that Hamdi was a threat. No habeas corpus for Hamdi...a banner case.

 

[Taichiliberal]

LMFAO? What you put to Dixie's ramblings? You referring to yourself in the 3rd person, bunky? Therapy can work wonders for that. What exactly was that? Because all I saw you post in response to my well-articulated thread, was the typical left-wing slanderous rhetoric you people try to put forth on everything. Then you have the fucking nerve to claim someone is "parrot squawking" ...dude, that is ALL you have ever done here!

The key phrase here is "...all I saw". I can't help your willful ignorance or limited reading comprehension, but your basic ignorance can be cured. All you have to do is just refute or disprove just one of the points I make here. http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=541571&postcount=46 If you can honestly engage in a discussion on this, then there's hope for you.

This is the typical dishonest low-life bullshit we put up with everyday from liberals. "We" being the other neocon numbskulls with delusions of intellectualism? Come, come Dixie...are you that far gone to think there is a sane logic behind the "God is with us" bullshit you spewed? I mean, Torquemada might have bought into it, but his victims wouldn't. Come here and spew a bunch of goddamn outright lies, Prove it beyond your ranting here....logically and factually disprove what I wrote. If you can't, go huff & puff somewhere else. and hurl shit at the right like a bunch of 7th grade punks, THEN act like you've "refuted" something that was said two pages before. It's absolutely amazing to me! Do you people even believe your own overblown egotistical bullshit?

My goodness, I really hit a nerve! Every time I just dismantle your rambling regurgitations with a few commonly known facts, you just lose it! TFB, my sheet wearing dullard....if you can't take it, don't post. Or IA me, because the truth seems to be like sunlight to a vampire for you.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Thanks, you are now on my ignore list. Been nice talking to ya. Buh-bye!

 

[Taichiliberal]

Thanks, you are now on my ignore list. Been nice talking to ya. Buh-bye!

There you have it folks....the cowardly little sheet wearing neocon parrot couldn't honestly debate the issue, so he ran like sick bird's ass.

Another one bite's the dust!

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There you have it folks....the cowardly little sheet wearing neocon parrot couldn't honestly debate the issue, so he ran like sick bird's ass.

Another one bite's the dust!

Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Foundation of Conservatism

^lol^

from the one who runs around the forum putting people on ignore because you don't like them because they keep whooping your ass in debate....

look at you all pissy because someone did the same to you....thanks for the laugh

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
There you have it folks....the cowardly little sheet wearing neocon parrot couldn't honestly debate the issue, so he ran like sick bird's ass.

Another one bite's the dust!

Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Foundation of Conservatism

^lol^

from the one who runs around the forum putting people on ignore because you don't like them because they keep whooping your ass in debate....

look at you all pissy because someone did the same to you....thanks for the laugh

And when was the last time you actually honestly debated, Yurtle old thing? I put you in the dustbin when you start lying or acting like an asshole by not even logically responding to a previous posts. Dixie is a joke.....he couldn't logically or factually refute ONE THING that I said. Instead, he tried to take things out of context and then lie about what I wrote. I predicted he couldn't handle an honest debate and would IA me...and he did just that. HIS option, not mine. Think it through, genius.

So, are you going to pick up the gauntlet and try to honestly refute one thing I said regarding Dixie's blatherings? Or are you just going to bray like an ass as usual? Because if you are, then what's the point of me wasting space and time scrolling through your vengeful bile? Your move, einstein.

 

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i've never lied....and dude...you're not one to call anyone an asshole, you insult with the best of them....your whole post to me is nothing but insult....asshole

then again, i don't think you had me on ignore as the day after you left a message on CP and you couldn't have done that if i was on ignore....

man up and debate and stop being coward

 

[Taichiliberal]

i've never lied When you post in a reply assertions and allegations against someone that the previous posts do not support, then you are lying. You do this whenever you cannot logically or factually support/prove your points and contentions. ....and dude...you're not one to call anyone an asshole, you insult with the best of them I give back what I get, as the post show. What pisses off you and your fellow parrots is that I'm just better at it.....your whole post to me is nothing but insult....asshole Which shows your poor reading comprehension skills. I had you on IA, but was curious as to what you had to offer after I thumped Dixie's pitiful mindset. As the chronology shows, YOU jump into a disucussion with an antagonizing tone. Given that, my response here is not only appropriate, but somewhat constrained, given our history. Once again, your self delusions do not match the actual record of exchange.

then again, i don't think first true thing you've said so far you had me on ignore as the day after you left a message on CP and you couldn't have done that if i was on ignore....

Check the time frames, toodles. I've had you on IA for over a week or so. When I don't, I post a normal response in addtion to messages. See, if you think these things through, they make sense....try it next time before you type.

man up and debate and stop being coward

I was debating...YOU decided to stick your nose in. So I responded, and now you're BS'ing. I've put forth my statements to Dixie, who's too much of a coward to admit he couldn't refute them. Since you've picked up the gauntlet, the challenge goes to you. If you are defending Dixie's opening post, then you can honestly tell me what is wrong with my responses. If you are just spewing sour grapes instead with no rhyme or reason, I'll just go back to ignoring you. Your choice.

 

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i don't care what you do....either debate and stop making false accusations about me...(prove one, i dare you) or keep quiet...

don't be a child...if you give as good as you get, then stop whining and debate....your choice

 

[Taichiliberal]

i don't care what you do Yet here you are, jumping into a discussion that had NOTHING to do with you, just to hurl insults. You're so full of it, you're not even making sense.....either debate and stop making false accusations about me...(prove one, i dare you) or keep quiet...

don't be a child...if you give as good as you get, then stop whining and debate....your choice

You just proved one my accusations, Yurtle old thing. You're not here to debate, and you're not concerned about what I was discussing with Dixie per se, you just jumped in because you've got an axe to grind with me...because you cannot logically or factually best me in a debate when you take some neocon position.

you did EXACTLY like I expected and stated in the last post. [ame="http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=543607&postcount=135"]Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Foundation of Conservatism[/ame] And you're either too stupid or too stubborn to acknowledge that. No matter, I leave this for all to see. And I toss your sorry ass back into the dustbin. But feel free to follow me around throwing rocks in frustration.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Chickey, you can continue to post all you like, I have put you on ignore and will not be reading anything you have to say from this point forward. You caused this yourself. I don't have to come here and listen to trash-talking idiots who can't debate the issue, and simply want to hurl baseless slander at me. If you want to puff up and pretend you made me run away, if you want to call me a klansman, if you want to throw a temper tantrum, I don't care, go for it! You've been rendered irrelevant in my book.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Chickey, you can continue to post all you like, No shit sherlock, tell me something I don't know I have put you on ignore and will not be reading anything you have to say from this point forward. That's what you said last time, genius. You should know your fellow parrots take a dim view of people who go back on their word like that.You caused this yourself. I caused you to put me on IA by merely making a suggestion? Man, didn't know I had that kind of power! I don't have to come here and listen to trash-talking idiots who can't debate the issue, and simply want to hurl baseless slander at me. Oh poor widdle Dixie...everybody is picking on him. GROW UP YOU SIMP. If you can't handle being challenged, proven wrong or criticized, then life in general must be hell for you! Or were you deluded enough to think that you could just spam your BS and we would just read it without question? If you want to puff up and pretend you made me run away, you did, but now you just want the last word....what a wussy you are! if you want to call me a klansman, Hey, you fly and defend the Confederate flag and all the BS that goes with it, jackass...don't piss your pants because someone calls you what you are if you want to throw a temper tantrum, Projecting again, bunky? I don't care, go for it! You've been rendered irrelevant in my book.

And yet here you are, fuming away with spittle on your screen! Hmmm, so you don't care and had me on IA, but here you are railing about nothing I say matters, etc., etc. Jeez, see a shrink or have an adult you trust to explain how schizoid you look here. Bottom line: you couldn't refute what I posted....grow up and stop acting silly (oh, that's right, you're not reading this). Adios, bozo!

 

[DamnYankee]

My goodness, I really hit a nerve! Every time I just dismantle your rambling regurgitations with a few commonly known facts, you just lose it! TFB, my sheet wearing dullard....if you can't take it, don't post. Or IA me, because the truth seems to be like sunlight to a vampire for you.

The race card again; my what a surprise.