95% of Humans are Spiritual

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I have projected nothing onto you. You have your right to believe in no God. All I state is that to believe in NO God and stopping short of an adherence to Nihilism, is intellectually dishonest at some level.

The existence of God is not an effective tactic against nihilism at all. God sitting up in the sky and threatening me with hell no more provides me with my moral compass than the US government threatening me with jail. The spiritual world is what is meaningless. The spiritual world is what is nihilism, because it denies the important of human beings and all that we hold dear.

What I argue is that the material world has meaning in itself, and that it is philosophical error of a atheist convert from Christianity to adopt nihilism just because his old belief system incorrectly ascribed all meaning to the spiritual world.

 

[Damocles]

The Agnostic is someone who does not necessarily reject the possibility of God, but has no reason he can identify to believe God exists. That you can make science a kind of God is also true.

Both could be true, but the post I quoted of Dixie's clearly indicates that Superfreak falls within the definition of an Agnostic, not one who worships science, nor one who is "nihilist."

 

[Canceled2]

The existence of God is not an effective tactic against nihilism at all. God sitting up in the sky and threatening me with hell no more provides me with my moral compass than the US government threatening me with jail. The spiritual world is what is meaningless. The spiritual world is what is nihilism, because it denies the important of human beings and all that we hold dear.

What I argue is that the material world has meaning in itself, and that it is philosophical error of a atheist convert from Christianity to adopt nihilism just because his old belief system incorrectly ascribed all meaning to the spiritual world.

You are obviously a philosophical dork...Too bad I am no longer on your IA.

Of course the material world has meaning, but to ascribe any kind of rules that man must follow apart from something bigger than himself is as I stated mere vanity...which is fine just be fucking honest about it.

 

[Canceled2]

Both could be true, but the post I quoted of Dixie's clearly indicates that Superfreak falls within the definition of an Agnostic, not one who worships science, nor one who is "nihilist."

Agnostic's cannot be Nihilist's. They do not reject the possibility of God only the willingness to believe without empirical evidence; faith in God to the agnostic is simply untenable.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

It is interesting you earlier identified yourself as an "agnostic" and not a nihilist. Now here, you give us a glimpse of what you really believe in! You worship at the Holy Church of the Science God! Your "faith" lies in the scientific, and nothing else. So, you are not a nihilist, and you do practice spiritual belief in something greater than man, science!

1/3

 

[Damocles]

Agnostic's cannot be Nihilist's. They do not reject the possibility of God only the willingness to believe without empirical evidence; faith in God to the agnostic is simply untenable.

Which again was my point, this describes Superfreak, not "nihilism" nor "science-worship"...

 

[Canceled2]

Which again was my point, this describes Superfreak, not "nihilism" nor "science-worship"...

kool beans~~~

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Which again was my point, this describes Superfreak, not "nihilism" nor "science-worship"...

Superfreak admits he has faith in Science. I didn't make that assumption, he said it himself. He also doesn't describe himself as a nihilist, but anyone who doesn't believe in anything greater than self, is by definition, a nihilist. Therefore, we can conclude Super believes in something, he just doesn't know or isn't sure what that is.

 

[Damocles]

Superfreak admits he has faith in Science. I didn't make that assumption, he said it himself. He also doesn't describe himself as a nihilist, but anyone who doesn't believe in anything greater than self, is by definition, a nihilist. Therefore, we can conclude Super believes in something, he just doesn't know or isn't sure what that is.

Which is again the very definition of Agnostic.

However we can make no such assumption. He believes that "something" larger than him is possible, and that there is no way to prove it either true or not therefore he doesn't assume either way and goes on with life.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Which is again the very definition of Agnostic.

However we can make no such assumption. He believes that "something" larger than him is possible, and that there is no way to prove it either true or not therefore he doesn't assume either way and goes on with life.

As I said, taking the easy way out and claiming he doesn't believe in anything.

You should try and like actually READ my posts before you respond.

 

[Damocles]

As I said, taking the easy way out and claiming he doesn't believe in anything.

You should try and like actually READ my posts before you respond.

I did, you insisted that this meant he "worshiped science", it means nothing like that. Maybe you should start with my response to your post.

What is the definition of agnostic?

 

[Canceled2]

Superfreak admits he has faith in Science. I didn't make that assumption, he said it himself. He also doesn't describe himself as a nihilist, but anyone who doesn't believe in anything greater than self, is by definition, a nihilist. Therefore, we can conclude Super believes in something, he just doesn't know or isn't sure what that is.

Yes and no. If a person says I do not believe in God, but only in science then I would agree that that person is a Nihilist. If a person allows that the possibility that God exists, in any small measure, then that person cannot be defined as a Nihilist. An Agnostic is a person who makes a statement that they can only have faith in the material and that the Super Natural is a question that simply cannot be answered. A Nihilist claims that nothing matters except self. I submit that Atheist's, true Atheist's, are really either confused Agnostic's or scared Nihilist's.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I did, you insisted that this meant he "worshiped science", it means nothing like that. Maybe you should start with my response to your post.

What is the definition of agnostic?

I didn't "insist" anything, I presumed his faith lies in science because that is what he said. My only point in this thread is that 95% of humans are spiritual in their beliefs. Super claims he is "agnostic" because he doesn't know what he believes, but he professed his faith in science, so this is apparently what he has replaced as his God. I'm not faulting him for that or criticizing his beliefs, just pointing out that he has beliefs, and is not part of the 5% nihilists who don't profess a spiritual belief.

Maybe you should start by not drinking so much before you log in here?

 

[Damocles]

I didn't "insist" anything, I presumed his faith lies in science because that is what he said. My only point in this thread is that 95% of humans are spiritual in their beliefs. Super claims he is "agnostic" because he doesn't know what he believes, but he professed his faith in science, so this is apparently what he has replaced as his God. I'm not faulting him for that or criticizing his beliefs, just pointing out that he has beliefs, and is not part of the 5% nihilists who don't profess a spiritual belief.

Maybe you should start by not drinking so much before you log in here?

I agree with your original assertion, or close to it. I'd say it's very close, based on the testing that was posted. I don't agree with how you come to it. It doesn't necessarily follow that no belief in God means to a body that there is no meaning to life.

There are many atheist Buddhists who would be insulted at that simplistic view. I am not one of them, I am a "Deist" Buddhist, but it simply isn't that simplistic. Being atheistic is not the same thing as being "nihilist"...

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Yes and no. If a person says I do not believe in God, but only in science then I would agree that that person is a Nihilist. If a person allows that the possibility that God exists, in any small measure, then that person cannot be defined as a Nihilist. An Agnostic is a person who makes a statement that they can only have faith in the material and that the Super Natural is a question that simply cannot be answered. A Nihilist claims that nothing matters except self. I submit that Atheist's, true Atheist's, are really either confused Agnostic's or scared Nihilist's.

And I agree with you. When I say 5% are nihilists, that is a very conservative and generous number, I think. It presumes every nihilist is being completely candid and honest about their deepest most innermost feelings regarding spirituality, and we simply can't assume they are all telling the truth about it. Most people DO believe in something, some of them are just not sure what.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

You are obviously a philosophical dork...Too bad I am no longer on your IA.

Of course the material world has meaning, but to ascribe any kind of rules that man must follow apart from something bigger than himself is as I stated mere vanity...which is fine just be fucking honest about it.

You are still on my IA, however, in bits of madness I sometimes log off to see what people on my IA have posted.

I reject supernatural meaning because I reject god. But I do not reject materialistic meaning, like Christians reject it. I also do not think that spiritual meaning would even have more legitimacy than materialistic meaning.

And, BTW, why would anyone follow the rules god sets out? Because he has the power to enforce them. Does he have any more legitimacy to enforce them than the state does, just because his power would be limitless? I think not, even if he did create us. The only legitimate morals to be had are those that are derived from your own personal compass. Society aggregates individuals moral compasses into a law code so that outrageous acts aren't committed.

This is just as legitimate as God imposing some universal moral code, and legitimizing it by nothing other than his power to throw you in hell, or to make the argument that he owns me.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I agree with your original assertion, or close to it. I'd say it's very close, based on the testing that was posted. I don't agree with how you come to it. It doesn't necessarily follow that no belief in God means to a body that there is no meaning to life.

There are many atheist Buddhists who would be insulted at that simplistic view. I am not one of them, I am a "Deist" Buddhist.

I never said one word about "meaning of life" are you confusing something I posted with someone else? Like I said, lay off the bottle before you come here, Damo.


Buddhists are spiritual, they are not nihilists. Technically speaking, I am an Atheist. I do not subscribe or believe in any specific theocracy, which by definition, is an Atheist. I am, however, very spiritual, and I understand (know) there is a greater power than man. So do most human beings, that was my only point.

 

[Canceled2]

And I agree with you. When I say 5% are nihilists, that is a very conservative and generous number, I think. It presumes every nihilist is being completely candid and honest about their deepest most innermost feelings regarding spirituality, and we simply can't assume they are all telling the truth about it. Most people DO believe in something, some of them are just not sure what.

The truth is that every self-proclaimed atheist I have ever sat and talked with at length, are really agnostic. A few have been what I call scared nihilist's. They really do not wish to take their position to its logical conclusion...at least Nietzsche was brave and honest with his atheism.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

The truth is that every self-proclaimed atheist I have ever sat and talked with at length, are really agnostic. A few have been what I call scared nihilist's. They really do not wish to take their position to its logical conclusion...at least Nietzsche was brave and honest with his atheism.

I once said (to much ridicule here) that Atheists are actually some of the biggest believers in God. Many of them know damn well there is a God, and they are (for whatever reason) angry with God over something. Therefore, in order to "punish" God, they deny him and act as if they don't believe in him.

 

[ib1yysguy]

Technically speaking, I am an Atheist. I do not subscribe or believe in any specific theocracy, which by definition, is an Atheist.

Orly? I know you claim all the time not to be a Christian, hoping to look more legit as some rogue spiritualist. But here's the facts. Read'm and weep.

And Dixie, you are no more a Christian than I am a Muslim.

And Lummox, congratulations on becoming a Muslim, I knew you'd love it if you gave it a chance!

You don't have a clue as to what "kind of Christian" I am [...]

No, I never used the word "fake" and didn't indicate he was anything, I don't know what he truly is, and that is something he and God can work out. I made an observation, based on what I know as a Christian myself.

Unlike you, as a Christian, I feel compelled to follow the teachings of Christ.

Me too, and I don't know where you conclude otherwise. I think we might have a difference of opinion with regard to how we are to follow the teachings of Christ, though.

If we could convert the entire world to Christianity, and all live the message of Jesus, there would be no more wars or need for wars.

Let's be clear, it's not a sin to "scoff" at "my brand" of Christianity, and call me a hypocrite, you can do that all you like, and God doesn't have a problem with it. It's when you cast judgements on me, and proclaim that I am not "the right kind" of Christian, or that I am a "fake Christian", that God has a problem with you. It's not up to you to decide what kind of Christian I am, or if I am indeed a Christian by your standards, that is left solely up to God, and forbidden for you to judge, and if you continue to do it without repent, you will burn in hell, according to the Bible.

"typical of your type of Christian who don't feel the need to DO anything..."

This statement is not a scoff, it is a direct judgement of my Christian faith.

"YOur kind of Christian turns my stomach..."

This statement is not a scoff, it is a direct judgement of my Christian faith.

"NO ONE who claims to love Jesus would EVER so cavelierly ignore his FIRST AND GREATEST COMMANDMENT as you do."

This statement is not a scoff, it is a direct judgement of my Christian faith.

"No doubt, when Dixie arrives in Hell, he will be utterly surprised."

This statement is not a scoff, it is a direct judgement of my Christian faith.

"Unlike you, as a Christian, I feel compelled to follow the teachings of Christ."

This statement is not a scoff, it is a direct judgement of my Christian faith.

"you faux Christian"

This statement is not a scoff, it is a direct judgement of my Christian faith.

I would try to stop someone from setting your building on fire, just as I would try to stop someone from setting the building full of living human embryos on fire, that is my duty as a Christian.

It's as far as I can possibly go, as a Christian, to allow the intentional and malicious taking of innocent life, and I struggle with that.

From my perspective, and maybe this is a poor analogy, but you could liken it to a person going to a buffet and filling their plate with food, then not eating it, as opposed to a person going to a restaurant and being served a heaping plate of food they didn't order. In one instance, it is justified that the person can waste the food, in the other, it's not. I have no idea of how God would judge someone who had an abortion after rape, that is not my place. I do know how God views the malicious taking of innocent life, he is very clear on that one. I also know it's my duty as a Christian, to speak out against it, and denounce it a sin against God, which indeed, it is.

As a Christian, I am willing to let them rectify this with God, it's not my place to do that. I would not personally condone it, I believe God has a reason for everything, including the pregnancy of a rape victim, but I can't infer my personal beliefs on others, that is between them and God. When it comes to abortion-on-demand, as a form of birth control, it then becomes an issue which involves my responsibility as a Christian, to speak out against and condemn, and I do.

It's not my right to infer my personal religious beliefs on others, but it IS my right, and duty as a Christian, to condemn the malicious and intentional taking of innocent human life, particularly when that life was produced by free will and as the direct consequence of choice.