6 month wait to qualify. Sweet deal Dems

You think that they Democrats gain something by putting it off until after 2012? What would they gain?

The one thing that (I thought) pretty much everyone agreed with is that denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions was basically fucked up and should be stopped. It seems to me that the sooner they implement the ban the better off they would be.

i believe its 2013....and hell yes they do....if the plan blows up before the next presidential election, obama is out without a doubt....

it is the height of sinisterness for obama and the dems to run around claiming we have to pass this NOW, people are dying, repubs want people to die...oh wait, we're not going to implement this for about 4 years and there is a six month waiting period....

if that is true, the dems are disgusting liars and obama should be removed office next election because he is a fraud
 
i believe its 2013....and hell yes they do....if the plan blows up before the next presidential election, obama is out without a doubt....

it is the height of sinisterness for obama and the dems to run around claiming we have to pass this NOW, people are dying, repubs want people to die...oh wait, we're not going to implement this for about 4 years and there is a six month waiting period....

if that is true, the dems are disgusting liars and obama should be removed office next election because he is a fraud


Withdrawn. I simply note that there are many provisions that go into effect immediately and that it is important to pass this now precisely because the single largest overhaul to the healthcare industry ever will take a substantial amount of time to implement. You can't do it overnight and you can't do it effectively without allowing sufficient time for all of the players to adjust. Moreover, the fact that some of the provisions do not take effect for a while seems to me to be quite risky since there will be two elections for the Democrats to lost their majority and then have new laws passed repealing whatever they manage to get done.
 
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Why would it matter? They have to wait 5 YEARS for any of it to take any effect.

This is more hurry up and wait than I ever saw in the Navy.
 
You think that they Democrats gain something by putting it off until after 2012? What would they gain?

The one thing that (I thought) pretty much everyone agreed with is that denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions was basically fucked up and should be stopped. It seems to me that the sooner they implement the ban the better off they would be.

Yes, they are putting it off because they know insurance premiums are going to increase as soon as it is put into affect.

While I do think pre-existing conditions should not exclude someone from coverage, at the same time I don't think the rest of us should pay for it. Which is exactly what happens today with group plans that 'guarantee' coverage. All the insurance companies do is jack up the premiums on everyone.

The exact same plan my company offers through their guaranteed coverage is about 2.5 times more expensive than the plan I bought individually.

Granted, I am single and healthy and thus I qualified easily for the plan on my own.

Group plans and guaranteed coverage are just another way to redistribute wealth. Instead this time it is not from the rich to the poor, but from the healthy to the unhealthy.
 
about what? what did i say that was wrong?

Nothing was wrong with it. That is why he responded as he did. He doesn't know what to do when confronted with something that taints the image of the anointed one.

I am sure he has his talking point memorized as to why the Dems are waiting until after the election to implement this.
 
Yes, they are putting it off because they know insurance premiums are going to increase as soon as it is put into affect.

At the same time as the ban on pre-existing conditions goes into effect, more people will be purchasing health insurance that do not have it now, including many relatively healthy young adults. The idea that premiums will automatically increase doesn't take into consideration the fact that the risk pool will be expanded at both the high-risk end and low-risk end.

While I do think pre-existing conditions should not exclude someone from coverage, at the same time I don't think the rest of us should pay for it. Which is exactly what happens today with group plans that 'guarantee' coverage. All the insurance companies do is jack up the premiums on everyone.

Well, it sounds a whole hell of a lot like you don't want people with pre-existing conditions to have affordable coverage and that you disagree with the concept of insurance as a general matter. Having people that don't use it pay for the people that need it is precisely the way that insurance works.

Oh, and I understand that as a Republican you aren't terribly concerned about the welfare of others, but you should really try to step back for a second and think things through. "I got mine, fuck the rest of you" is an OK position for an adolescent to have, but most people generally grow out of it. What are you waiting for?

The exact same plan my company offers through their guaranteed coverage is about 2.5 times more expensive than the plan I bought individually.

Granted, I am single and healthy and thus I qualified easily for the plan on my own.

Group plans and guaranteed coverage are just another way to redistribute wealth. Instead this time it is not from the rich to the poor, but from the healthy to the unhealthy.


I'm beginning to doubt that you have any understanding of what insurance is and how it works.
 
Nothing was wrong with it. That is why he responded as he did. He doesn't know what to do when confronted with something that taints the image of the anointed one.

I am sure he has his talking point memorized as to why the Dems are waiting until after the election to implement this.

i expected better from turdheap....
 
"At the same time as the ban on pre-existing conditions goes into effect, more people will be purchasing health insurance that do not have it now, including many relatively healthy young adults. The idea that premiums will automatically increase doesn't take into consideration the fact that the risk pool will be expanded at both the high-risk end and low-risk end. "

LOL... I deal with insurance companies all the time in my job. They will price group plans according to the worst common denominator. Unless there is something in the bill addressing this issue, I don't see them changing it. If they are guaranteeing that everyone gets covered, then that means they are not doing physicals or detailed exams upon getting insured. Therefore they must protect against the worst case scenario. That is precisely why group plans are more expensive than individual plans today.


"Well, it sounds a whole hell of a lot like you don't want people with pre-existing conditions to have affordable coverage and that you disagree with the concept of insurance as a general matter. Having people that don't use it pay for the people that need it is precisely the way that insurance works."

No, that is what idiots who supported the HMO type systems and group coverage have morphed insurance into being. Insurance was designed so that each individual paid based on their personal risk. The healthier you were, the less you paid. But now, the idiots in DC have determined that we should have the HMO's and group plans because that would guarantee coverage. Since that point in time, costs have skyrocketed. Because the majority of this country is now paying the 'worst case' premiums.

"Oh, and I understand that as a Republican you aren't terribly concerned about the welfare of others, but you should really try to step back for a second and think things through. "I got mine, fuck the rest of you" is an OK position for an adolescent to have, but most people generally grow out of it. What are you waiting for?"

LMAO... first, I am not a Republican... no matter how much you want to pretend I am. Second, you are an idiot. I am all for helping others. You just don't approve of how I would help them. Your version of 'help' is to constantly hold their hands and give them anything they need. My version is to actually HELP them. Educate them on eating healthier. Educate them on the benefits of exercise. Dispel the moronic notion that you can't eat healthy on a low income.




I'm beginning to doubt that you have any understanding of what insurance is and how it works.

As for your last comment, that is quite laughable. How many contracts have you studied? How many have you written?

Your bowing down and accepting everything the Dems shovel at you shows you have no clue how insurance works. I have written and studied health care plans from over 15 states. I have licenses in each of them. I have also done many LTC plans for individuals. You on the other hand have done what? Consumed a bit of kool-aid? Been spoonfed from moveon.moron and huffpost?
 
LOL... I deal with insurance companies all the time in my job. They will price group plans according to the worst common denominator. Unless there is something in the bill addressing this issue, I don't see them changing it. If they are guaranteeing that everyone gets covered, then that means they are not doing physicals or detailed exams upon getting insured. Therefore they must protect against the worst case scenario. That is precisely why group plans are more expensive than individual plans today

Group plans won't change much at all by the requirement that they cover folks with pre-existing conditions as group plans are already required to provide coverage with some limits. The only way group plans would be impacted is by insurance companies increasing group plan premiums to cover the increase costs associated with individual plans. For someone who claims to deal with insurance companies all the time, you sure don't seem to know a whole about health insurance.


No, that is what idiots who supported the HMO type systems and group coverage have morphed insurance into being. Insurance was designed so that each individual paid based on their personal risk. The healthier you were, the less you paid. But now, the idiots in DC have determined that we should have the HMO's and group plans because that would guarantee coverage. Since that point in time, costs have skyrocketed. Because the majority of this country is now paying the 'worst case' premiums.

Again, you really don't seem to know how insurance works or much about existing insurance regulations. The majority of the country is not paying the "worst case" premiums at all. That is precisely why group insurance premiums are often much much lower than individual insurance premiums. It has to do with risk-pooling and how insurers are able to spread the risk around so that everyone pays the middle rate, not the "worst case" rate.


LMAO... first, I am not a Republican... no matter how much you want to pretend I am. Second, you are an idiot. I am all for helping others. You just don't approve of how I would help them. Your version of 'help' is to constantly hold their hands and give them anything they need. My version is to actually HELP them. Educate them on eating healthier. Educate them on the benefits of exercise. Dispel the moronic notion that you can't eat healthy on a low income.

Dude, the idea that you aren't a Republican is laughable. Just admit it. There really isn't anything to be ashamed of. You are a middle-aged, single, healthy, successful white male. Of course you're a Republican.

You're all for helping others, huh? Like telling people with cancer to eat their greens? Get real.
 
i believe its 2013....and hell yes they do....if the plan blows up before the next presidential election, obama is out without a doubt....

it is the height of sinisterness for obama and the dems to run around claiming we have to pass this NOW, people are dying, repubs want people to die...oh wait, we're not going to implement this for about 4 years and there is a six month waiting period....

if that is true, the dems are disgusting liars and obama should be removed office next election because he is a fraud

You're a total freakshow. Get a grip.

about what? what did i say that was wrong?



What does Barack Obama have to do with any of this stuff?

looks like you are the one who needs to get a grip...you accused me of something and don't have the stones to back it up
 
"Group plans won't change much at all by the requirement that they cover folks with pre-existing conditions as group plans are already required to provide coverage with some limits. The only way group plans would be impacted is by insurance companies increasing group plan premiums to cover the increase costs associated with individual plans. For someone who claims to deal with insurance companies all the time, you sure don't seem to know a whole about health insurance. "

The point you moron is just as I said.... those who are not covered due to pre-existing conditions are going to come INTO health insurance. They are going to RAISE rates. Because it INCREASES the number of bad cases. Those that are FORCED into buying health insurance that are young and healthy are going to be paying as if they are not. They are not going to have the counter balance that you proclaimed they would.



"Again, you really don't seem to know how insurance works or much about existing insurance regulations. The majority of the country is not paying the "worst case" premiums at all. That is precisely why group insurance premiums are often much much lower than individual insurance premiums. It has to do with risk-pooling and how insurers are able to spread the risk around so that everyone pays the middle rate, not the "worst case" rate."

You are a fool if you believe the above. Group plans out there most certainly do charge for the worst case scenario. I see it time and again. Individual plans are far cheaper. The reason they are cheaper is because they are not guaranteed. Thus, a physical is often required. The only people group plans benefit are those in poor health. Any healthy person can cut their insurance costs by going to an individual plan. ANY HEALTHY PERSON. The group plans are NOT lower or anywhere close to the individual plan in terms of costs. Go on line and run an individual quote from an insurer (preferably the one you currently use) in your state. Compare that cost to the total you and your company are currently paying. It will not be higher. Unless you are a high risk individual/family.


Dude, the idea that you aren't a Republican is laughable. Just admit it. There really isn't anything to be ashamed of. You are a middle-aged, single, healthy, successful white male. Of course you're a Republican.

You're all for helping others, huh? Like telling people with cancer to eat their greens? Get real.

I know brainwashed idiots like you seem to think everyone is a part of one party or the other. If you ever decide to pull your head out of the DNC's ass... you will find that there are many independents out there that despise both parties. Some of them will be more liberal in their views, others more conservative.

I love how brainwashed idiots like yourself always go to the extremes. One of the reasons our health care costs are so expensive is that our country continues to become more obese. That increases health risks, which translates into higher medical and insurance costs for everyone. But idiots like you toss out cancer and pretend that is what I was referring to. But I know... you don't believe in personal responsibility. You don't believe in trying to solve a part of the problem. You think being obese is someone else's problem.

You are a complete hack.
 
Um... the bill does not have it. Period. Just admit you are embarrassed that he used your own article against you.


What I would like to know is why are they waiting until 2013 to implement the rule that insurance companies cannot deny coverage? hmm... why could that be? anything to do with 2012 perhaps?

you got me. I didn't read past word one in the article with any depth at all. You are correct and i was definately pwned.

And I'm probably the biggest reason why this site sucks so hard anyway.

Plus i had to work. Damn these people and their projects. I'm only human!!
 
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