We can't afford NOT TO do single payer health care

Union members are paying much more out of pocket, and union members are way down in numbers than they were in the 60's and 70's. Unions don't have the power they once did!
Yes...they pay dues for a number of things, but many pay nothing for health insurance. Or almost nothing. The benefit is far more than they pay in dues.

My nurse GF is in a fairly weak union, and she pays $25/week for a great insurance plan.
 
Actually, the issue is the cost of drugs. Why do we pay 10 times what other nations pay for American made drugs?

too many career politicians are in the pocketbooks of big pharma. and don't bother saying it's all republicans. that would be epically stupid on your part.
 
Of course government creates wealth because government spends in the same economy as everyone else.

The stupidity of the fascist left is a wonder to behold.

SPENDING capitol creates nothing.

Government PRODUCES nothing. They don't grow food, they don't make homes, the don't mine resources. They tax the productive, nothing else.

The cashier at Best Buy doesn't give a shit if you're a federal worker or you work for Apple; all they care about is if your card won't get declined.

Non-sequitur.

The childish belief is that rich people or business owners create jobs. They may HIRE workers, but jobs are created by demand...and you don't get demand if you're forcing consumers to spend money on health care instead of consumer goods.
"Supply creates it's own demand" Jean Baptist Say (Say's Law)

When the joint venture of Microsoft and Compaq (Later Hewlett-Packard) created the IPhone, there was ZERO demand, in fact demand was so low that that HP couldn't make a profit off of them (IPaq). It took the marketing genius of Apple to entice consumers to buy something there was zero demand for, a PDA and phone in a single device.

Millions of jobs were CREATED by Microsoft, HP, and Apple - though Apple (EvilCorp) sent most of those jobs to China. That is the creation of jobs. The rulers of the state create nothing. All they can do is transfer wealth from those who produce, to those who do not - usually themselves.

Good! Fuck those freeloaders. If you can't pay your workers a decent wage and provide them with health care while also making a profit, then you shouldn't run a business.

You Communists are such morons. YOU were bitching that providing healthcare made US companies uncompetitive.

You can't keep your story straight.

So...you're mad about a health care system that everyone, including businesses, pays into?

It just sounds like you're mad for the sake of being mad; there's nothing logical in any of this.

I didn't start this threat, idiot - you did.

Obama care is a fucking disaster. So much a disaster that the Hivemind has programmed mindless drones like you to eliminate it.

The Hivemind wouldn't be calling for fully socialized medicine if Fascist care was effective.

You don't have management of your health care right now!

You can only go to the doctors your insurance tells you.

That is certainly not true - not even close to true. I can go to any doctor I please. I get a discount if I see doctors in the network the Blue Cross has, but out of network is still paid 50%

You can only get the treatments your insurance tells you.

Again, absolutely false. One of the primary aspects of the ACA is that the physician has final say over treatment and that insurance companies may not deny medically valid treatments.

It's amusing that the Hivemind has you lying AGAINST obamacare now.

You can only get the drugs your insurance tells you.

Utterly false. I have formulary and non-formulary coverage. Any drug my doctor prescribes is covered.

These are all the lies you told to promote obamacare. By recycling these lies now, it's an admission that obamacare didn't do what you fascists claimed it would.

Of course virtually everything you claim now was a lie when you said it about insurance prior to Fascist Care - it's a laughable lie now - as you contradict your own lies from 8 years ago.

You can only see the specialists your insurance tells you.

So what the flying fuck is your stupid ass talking about here?

SO let's recap - you're lying about virtually everything - claiming that every promise made by the ACA was not implemented.
 
No one is suffering with the ACA, but Donald didn't like it, and promised to end it and give the American people something better. Donald lied, Donald failed again. It's his history, lies and failure a trademark.
You are well aware of every one of his promises that failed, everyone of his lies, yet you think he could win another election?? What a fucking joke.

His promise for better returns in Market came through loud and clear, Biden's promises for a better america are failing, he is a pathetic president much like the losers that support him. Everyone that is paying for ACA is suffering with higher costs and less coverage. You are the biggest liar here
 
Yes...but we're required to pay for C&D also.

We have a medicare Advantage plan zero co pay or deductible for My PCP and $30 co pay for a specialist

last month I had a stress test, co pay $80.00 and they are expensive

2 years ago I was hospitalized 4 days and co pay $800 , if i was in longer still would have been $800.00 up to 90 days

My meds zero cost from the plans mail order, any specialized meds $9.00 for a 90 day supply like inhalers or insulin which i don't need anymore, $30 for 6 weeks
 
Yes...they pay dues for a number of things, but many pay nothing for health insurance. Or almost nothing. The benefit is far more than they pay in dues.

My nurse GF is in a fairly weak union, and she pays $25/week for a great insurance plan.

Except to the rule!
 
His promise for better returns in Market came through loud and clear, Biden's promises for a better america are failing, he is a pathetic president much like the losers that support him. Everyone that is paying for ACA is suffering with higher costs and less coverage. You are the biggest liar here

and you are totally full of shit.
 
I know, Communism works so well.

democrats will give America medical care on par with North Korea.



And by "benefit" you mean "be euthanized" as they do in Canada.



Who was it that pushed Obama's Fascist Care?

Kaiser and Blue Cross.

How did that "help" the average American? Tripled the cost to them and reduced the care they got.

Those like you who worship the state never figure it out until it's too late.

I don't know who you are, but I can tell you're a fucking psychopath. Run along now.
 
LOL.

If you're looking for depth, cawacko is the last place you'd want to go.

"Superficial" is putting it mildly.

I don't even know what he think he meant. "As California goes so goes the country." "Uh, sure, cawacko, what then?" "Governor Newsom and the Democratic Assembly won't even vote on single payer health insurance." "Oh. Why not?" ". . ."

A worthless drive by shot from a shallow poster without a point.
 
That vague response doesn't particularly assist the discussion. Why did Newsom get cold feet?

If the discussion is simply an academic, or intellectual, one on support for M4A then I agree it doesn’t add much.

But if it’s about implementing M4A in America then it seems very relevant to me. Newsom backed off because of the costs (he of course knew what the costs would be when he initially stated he supported it but politics are always involved).

Maybe one will argue M4A can’t work on a state level and must only be implemented nationally because of costs.

Edit: To be clear, the bill never even got a vote in the assembly so Newsom is not the reason it didn’t pass. He did run on supporting it however and then used zero political capital, or his bully pulpit, to garner support for it. So that to me is very relevant if M4A supporters can’t even bring it up for a vote.
 
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Because Communism is the answer.

Regardless of the question, Communism is the only answer the left has.

Submit to the collective.

Of course if you are Der Juden - the whites - such submission will likely be fatal.

{"[W]e have taken redress in our particular initiative to mean providing precisely what was denied for at least a decade: a preferential admission option for Black and Latinx heart failure patients to our specialty cardiology service," they said.

"The Healing ARC [acknowledgment, redress and closure] will include a flag in our electronic medical record and admissions system suggesting that providers admit Black and Latinx heart failure patients to cardiology, rather than rely on provider discretion or patient self-advocacy to determine whether they should go to cardiology or general medicine."

The op-ed caught attention this week and is likely to pour fuel on an already-raging debate surrounding race in U.S. institutions.

Discovery Institute researcher Chris Rufo, who has spearheaded efforts against critical race theory, told Fox News that what the physicians advocated was a moral crime and unconstitutional.
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-doctor-racial-preference-minorities-medical-care

Thanks Joe McCarthy! Better hid under the bed,the reds are coming for you.
 
We have a medicare Advantage plan zero co pay or deductible for My PCP and $30 co pay for a specialist

last month I had a stress test, co pay $80.00 and they are expensive

2 years ago I was hospitalized 4 days and co pay $800 , if i was in longer still would have been $800.00 up to 90 days

My meds zero cost from the plans mail order, any specialized meds $9.00 for a 90 day supply like inhalers or insulin which i don't need anymore, $30 for 6 weeks
I'm new to the club! ;) I take no meds, and I'm rather healthy with an abnormally good immune system.

So far.

This is great for me, as the monthly costs are low unless I need a doctor. I see a doctor once/year right now.
 
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